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re: So O threw another group of players under the bus
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:59 am to PaperTiger
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:59 am to PaperTiger
You are missing the point
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Posted on 10/5/17 at 1:00 am to Ed Osteen
No major head coach would completely abandon faith in his kickers going into the hardest stretch of their schedule. It’s pretty fricking simple, even if you are thinking it, you don’t say it to the media.
He’s not cut to be a head coach, he’s a an idiot in over his head that got offered a ton of money
He’s not cut to be a head coach, he’s a an idiot in over his head that got offered a ton of money
Posted on 10/5/17 at 1:02 am to abellsujr
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Unlike Saban and Belicheck
I get your point. I thought it was just funny to use Belicheck because of the current discussion. "kickers arent football players"
Posted on 10/5/17 at 1:03 am to abellsujr
Never said Kiel was
Posted on 10/5/17 at 1:05 am to Ed Osteen
I get the point. O shouldn't be head coach. There we agree. But if people want to bitch about what he said about recruiting "the best kicker in the country" because our now combined kicking team is 3-7, then we want O gone for different reasons
Posted on 10/5/17 at 1:05 am to 1999
Savage
Posted on 10/5/17 at 6:15 am to Fus0623
It's to challenge them. You either man up and prove him wrong or wither away. Glad O did this
Posted on 10/5/17 at 6:20 am to Fus0623
why not say it, you have to be blind not to see it. maybe it will light a fire in their butts to actually make a kick.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 6:25 am to jmaginnis
bullshite. You don't do it in public the way he did it. It's SOP for crude, good ole boy O though. I'm not surprised the low I.Q. set get off on this.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 6:33 am to jmaginnis
quote:Then you are an a-hole. Yeah its great he tore down their confidence to the media without giving them the best chance to succeed. They don't have a damn special teams coach for Christ sake. the kickers are set up to fail by Coach O.
Glad O did this
Posted on 10/5/17 at 6:56 am to PaperTiger
Was Kiel one of his players that he needed to perform at a high level? I think you’re missing the fact that a kicker is the most mentally driven position on the field. If they don’t have 0 confidence in what they’re doing then they’re done for. Roberto Aguayo is a good example
If people honestly do t understand what he did wrong here, then you’ve never been in a locker room before. Comments like this will lose your players in an instant. Hell they were probably halfway there with the Brosette comment
If people honestly do t understand what he did wrong here, then you’ve never been in a locker room before. Comments like this will lose your players in an instant. Hell they were probably halfway there with the Brosette comment
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 7:00 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 7:00 am to Geauxgurt
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Funny how we “have no kicker” magically at the start of O’s tenure where he strategically chose to not have a dedicated special teams coach.
Special teams coaches don't really coach kickers. Kickers get their instruction from specialists outside of the program.
I honestly don't mind this comment for a position group vs. a specific player. It could have a positive effect if used properly.
However, for kickers it just doesn't make sense. Kickers aren't just going to try harder and be better. And, as previously stated, you can't really coach them up. This is an excuse.
Separate from that he is right. The stage is too big for Gonsulin. The duck hook against Troy was ridiculous. That doesnt happen to a kicker who is calm and zeroed in. It happens to a guy who is struggling to compose himself.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 7:17 am to Fus0623
I was willing to give O a chance and hoped that he could at least manage good coordinators, handle the basic day to day operations and get the team moving in the right direction. It has become abundantly clear he does not know how to manage his coaches or his players.
There are obviously a lot of variables affecting this season with the new offense, injuries, youth at positions like WR, DB, LB . . . but, none of that excuses the level of drop off, the lack of intensity and inability to adjust. There is plenty of blame to go around from players to coordinators. Ultimately it lays directly at the feet of the HC. He is failing and he is failing in epic fashion.
There are obviously a lot of variables affecting this season with the new offense, injuries, youth at positions like WR, DB, LB . . . but, none of that excuses the level of drop off, the lack of intensity and inability to adjust. There is plenty of blame to go around from players to coordinators. Ultimately it lays directly at the feet of the HC. He is failing and he is failing in epic fashion.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 7:25 am to moneyg
quote:true, for the most part. Camps, workshops, etc.
Special teams coaches don't really coach kickers. Kickers get their instruction from specialists outside of the program.
quote:Agreed. But I'm more leaning towards a player vs. player consideration not position. Some players show leadership tendencies, they are open to it and it will not destroy them and probably motivate them.
I honestly don't mind this comment for a position group vs. a specific player. It could have a positive effect if used properly.
The there are some positions, as you are stating, that just need to be ready for it. QB for instance. Me personally I think your top OL, S/CB, and a LB need to be "chosen" and designated to be open to it. By all means, prepare them, let them know ahead of time.
Noting there are lines here. There's mentioning ("______ needs to do _______ better"), criticizing ("________ is not doing _________ very well") and throwing under the bus ("_________ isn't performing and cost us the game"). Mentioning or criticizing is different than throwing under the bus. I see some innocuous stuff called "thrown under the bus" around here; for Orgeron, Miles, and other coaches. You should never blame a player for a loss, period. That is throwing a player under the bus. And it is NEVER true. No one play ever decides a game; there's many other plays that led to that one.
I agree with you on Kickers, just leave them out of the public eye. If a Kicker wants to be criticized publicly, let them do the speaking.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 7:27 am to Fus0623
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This has better be the #1 class in the country with the way he’s hanging his hopes on recruiting.
Going to be our worst class in a decade
Posted on 10/5/17 at 7:28 am to Fus0623
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So O threw another group of players under the bus
Miles danced around every question and everyone hated it. EVERYONE. O tells you the problem, now everyone acts sensitive when he just tells you the issue. I see why everyone hates the LSU fans.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 7:28 am to TheCaterpillar
You’re kidding
Posted on 10/5/17 at 7:31 am to Fus0623
Other NCAA coaches power thru and win games w bad kicking, Others coach them to be better.
We demean ours publicly.
We demean ours publicly.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:01 am to PaperTiger
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I agree if you are talking QB or something. I mean we are talking about the kicker though. The friggin field goal kicker.
So you're admitting that you have no fricking clue how important the kicking game is in football.
Got it.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 8:09 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:07 am to RB10
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how important the kicking game is in football.
ask Bobby Bowden
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