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re: So how did Fess Irvin lose the game to Indiana? free throws?
Posted on 1/22/09 at 7:46 am to lsufan112001
Posted on 1/22/09 at 7:46 am to lsufan112001
We did not block out on the other end and they made a lay up.
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Posted on 1/22/09 at 7:46 am to lsufan112001
We did not block out on the other end and they made a lay up.
Posted on 1/22/09 at 7:51 am to leeh
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We did not block out on the other end and they made a lay up.
Sort of right, actually we were in good position for the rebound, but the shot didn't even hit the rim, so it ended up almost like a pass(an ally oop). If the shot had been at all close to going in we would have the rebound......Remember Bobby Knight in a final dig at Dale Brown called it his freak offense (in reference to our freak defense).
Posted on 1/22/09 at 8:02 am to lsufan112001
Fess Irvin didn't lose that game.Very unfair and inaccurate to pin that on him. We had possession and a 75-66 lead with under 5:00 left.
I love Dale and think he gets way too much criticism and not enough credit,but he let the air out of the ball down the stretch. We had played a truly magnificent game up to that point. Remember,Indiana was the #1 seed and the game was in Cincinnati in front of about 90% IU fans.
Sure,Irvin's free throw he missed and the never shot second one had he made the first would have really made it tough on Indiana,but Fess didn't lose the game. This wasn't John Williams' inbound pass vs Georgia in Baton Rouge in 1985.
I love Dale and think he gets way too much criticism and not enough credit,but he let the air out of the ball down the stretch. We had played a truly magnificent game up to that point. Remember,Indiana was the #1 seed and the game was in Cincinnati in front of about 90% IU fans.
Sure,Irvin's free throw he missed and the never shot second one had he made the first would have really made it tough on Indiana,but Fess didn't lose the game. This wasn't John Williams' inbound pass vs Georgia in Baton Rouge in 1985.
Posted on 1/22/09 at 9:32 am to I-59 Tiger
The loss did not have much to do with that last Irvin free throw.
Wilson's shot at the end didn't get off in time anyway.
Pretty much, Dale chose the wrong strategy in the last 5 minutes, electing to hold the ball to wipe time off the clock - instead of putting the nail in the coffin.
I always remember what Knight said about it - and he was very on target about this:
"It didn't surprise me that they delayed. What did surprise me was that they didn't get the ball to Nikita Wilson, because he was killing us inside."
Still the hardest basketball loss ever, I'd say...especially after losing to IU in the Final Four...not to mention the Final Four being in New Orleans that year.
Wilson's shot at the end didn't get off in time anyway.
Pretty much, Dale chose the wrong strategy in the last 5 minutes, electing to hold the ball to wipe time off the clock - instead of putting the nail in the coffin.
I always remember what Knight said about it - and he was very on target about this:
"It didn't surprise me that they delayed. What did surprise me was that they didn't get the ball to Nikita Wilson, because he was killing us inside."
Still the hardest basketball loss ever, I'd say...especially after losing to IU in the Final Four...not to mention the Final Four being in New Orleans that year.
This post was edited on 1/22/09 at 9:50 am
Posted on 1/22/09 at 9:39 am to BrockLanders
Knight did get a technical for banging the phone
LSU only made one FT and no FGs in the last 4:20 of the game.
Nikita's turnaround was after the buzzer and wouldnt have counted if it had gone in
Daddy Dale made a calculated risk by slowing LSU down and it blew up in his face. The worst part was LSU would ignore Nikita, run the shot clock down, then someone would shoot a rushed 15-18ft jumpshot, miss it and a long rebound would ignite IU's running game.
LSU only made one FT and no FGs in the last 4:20 of the game.
Nikita's turnaround was after the buzzer and wouldnt have counted if it had gone in
Daddy Dale made a calculated risk by slowing LSU down and it blew up in his face. The worst part was LSU would ignore Nikita, run the shot clock down, then someone would shoot a rushed 15-18ft jumpshot, miss it and a long rebound would ignite IU's running game.
Posted on 1/22/09 at 9:47 am to supatigah
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Knight did get a technical for banging the phone
Not to mention screaming in the face of about 3 different people at the scorer's table...any other coach would have been ejected.
Posted on 1/22/09 at 9:48 am to BrockLanders
yeah I agree, he should have been tossed but he wasn't
Posted on 1/22/09 at 11:15 am to supatigah
Yeah, Knight should have been tossed. He was T'd up immediately. Then, his antics should have gotten him another. It paid off for Knight, though.
i-59 was dead on about Brown letting the air out. LSU had been playing magnificent against the eventual national champs. We had already plowed through GT, Temple, and knocked off a very good DePaul. Now, we had the Hoosiers on their backs in Cincy, in front of a very partisan crowd. Nikita should have kept getting the ball inside. Yes...Irvin missd the FT, but we didn't block out Ricky Calloway on the other end.
Talk about unfair refs...Steve Alford probably went to the line 18 times and made all of them. He was very overrated. Indiana beat us down low.
It was a shame...we win that game and we go to the Superdome for the Final 4...likely win it.
i-59 was dead on about Brown letting the air out. LSU had been playing magnificent against the eventual national champs. We had already plowed through GT, Temple, and knocked off a very good DePaul. Now, we had the Hoosiers on their backs in Cincy, in front of a very partisan crowd. Nikita should have kept getting the ball inside. Yes...Irvin missd the FT, but we didn't block out Ricky Calloway on the other end.
Talk about unfair refs...Steve Alford probably went to the line 18 times and made all of them. He was very overrated. Indiana beat us down low.
It was a shame...we win that game and we go to the Superdome for the Final 4...likely win it.
Posted on 1/22/09 at 11:50 am to PiscesTiger
I would list 4 things that lost that game for us (at least from my vantage point in the band):
1. Knight not getting thrown out for the phone incident. The argument started with him arguing a 3-second call, and he was T'd up then (for running on the court). Then he turned his anger at Gene Corrigan and broke the phone. Had they properly T'd him up for that, he would have been thrown out, but with 18,000 IU fans there it just going to happen. I watched the game later on tape, and it didn't seem to reflect the order of events properly.
2. Dale not getting the ball to Nikita Wilson in the last five minutes, until the last minute shot. That shot would have counted though, had it gone in. If you see a replay of the game, watch the official nearest the LSU bench who was ready to ring up the points and we would have had our Christian Laettner moment.
3. Horrible calls late in the game by the officials, one in particular. With less than a minute left in the game, one of the Indiana players reached both arms around Fess, touched the ball, and the official called the most improbable jump ball of all time. Indiana got the alternating possession and turned it into points. I am totally convinced Fess was fouled and it wasn't called.
2. Fess Irvin missing, IIRC, the front end of a 1&1 not once, but twice in the last minute. Irvin had lost the starting PG job to Darryl Joe during the season, and it was clear that Knight had the Hoosiers going after him due to his inexperience--good strategy. Unfortunately, I think Bernard Woodside had fouled out, and Dale couldn't exactly pull Ben McDonald (yes, that Ben McDonald) off the bench in that situation.
That is still the only LSU athletic event I walked out of truly mad, and I pretty much still am. The Final Four in the Super Dome would have been wild, and LSU would have been hard to beat in that situation. As it was, I didn't even watch it.
GEAUX TIGERS
1. Knight not getting thrown out for the phone incident. The argument started with him arguing a 3-second call, and he was T'd up then (for running on the court). Then he turned his anger at Gene Corrigan and broke the phone. Had they properly T'd him up for that, he would have been thrown out, but with 18,000 IU fans there it just going to happen. I watched the game later on tape, and it didn't seem to reflect the order of events properly.
2. Dale not getting the ball to Nikita Wilson in the last five minutes, until the last minute shot. That shot would have counted though, had it gone in. If you see a replay of the game, watch the official nearest the LSU bench who was ready to ring up the points and we would have had our Christian Laettner moment.
3. Horrible calls late in the game by the officials, one in particular. With less than a minute left in the game, one of the Indiana players reached both arms around Fess, touched the ball, and the official called the most improbable jump ball of all time. Indiana got the alternating possession and turned it into points. I am totally convinced Fess was fouled and it wasn't called.
2. Fess Irvin missing, IIRC, the front end of a 1&1 not once, but twice in the last minute. Irvin had lost the starting PG job to Darryl Joe during the season, and it was clear that Knight had the Hoosiers going after him due to his inexperience--good strategy. Unfortunately, I think Bernard Woodside had fouled out, and Dale couldn't exactly pull Ben McDonald (yes, that Ben McDonald) off the bench in that situation.
That is still the only LSU athletic event I walked out of truly mad, and I pretty much still am. The Final Four in the Super Dome would have been wild, and LSU would have been hard to beat in that situation. As it was, I didn't even watch it.
GEAUX TIGERS
This post was edited on 1/22/09 at 11:54 am
Posted on 1/22/09 at 12:42 pm to BrockLanders
Despite what the "all knowing" SI writer said, the ref had his arm down with two fingers out--that's a signal that he would have counted it. Not that you ever see the game on ESPNClassic though to double check me, and unfortunately it doesn't really matter.
GEAUX TIGERS
GEAUX TIGERS
Posted on 1/22/09 at 1:32 pm to lsufan112001
Is this the game Indiana dropped a 1-3-1 zone on us in the 2nd half that we couldn't deal with . If so, I remember that doing us in more than anything.
Posted on 1/22/09 at 1:52 pm to eddieray
Definitely not the 1987 game...I dunno, maybe that was the 1992 game??
Posted on 1/22/09 at 2:15 pm to eddieray
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Is this the game Indiana dropped a 1-3-1 zone on us in the 2nd half that we couldn't deal with . If so, I remember that doing us in more than anything.
no Knight in 1987 was strictly man to man
in the NCAA tourney in 1992 they beat us in the second round playing some zone
Posted on 1/22/09 at 2:17 pm to supatigah
BTW, I fully understand that in the vast majority of LSU fans, football greatly outweighs basketball.With that said, I think this 1987 basketball game is LSU basketball's version of the 1979 Southern Cal football game.
Posted on 1/22/09 at 2:35 pm to I-59 Tiger
Knight got away with so much crap. All the time, but especially in that game. He was nothing but a bully, and the refs lived in fear of him. Any other coach in the country is heading for the showers with a tantrum like that. And yeah, he out flanked Dale one three different occasions in the tournament, but the 1981 second half meltdown hurt me more, as I think that was the team with the best chance of bringing the championship home...
Posted on 1/22/09 at 3:10 pm to Commando
Yep, the refs had nothing to do with the 1981 loss...it's probably the most frustrating loss, since that squad is still the most complete combination of talent, chemistry and teamwork LSU has ever had.
That second half was the pits...
That second half was the pits...
This post was edited on 1/22/09 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 1/22/09 at 4:32 pm to supatigah
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Nikita's turnaround was after the buzzer and wouldnt have counted if it had gone in
Wrong. I was at the game and one official was poised to say the shot was good when it nailed the front rim.
Posted on 1/22/09 at 4:35 pm to BrockLanders
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That second half was the pits...
Biggest problem was the injury to Rudy. He couldn't touch anything with his left(shooting)hand without grimacing in pain. No one else was hitting and the go-to 1st team AA was hurt. That was pretty much the game.
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