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re: Smoke vs. Maineri
Posted on 4/22/11 at 9:52 pm to Stevo
Posted on 4/22/11 at 9:52 pm to Stevo
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Maineri inexplicably almost ran Coleman off of the team.
Almost. Coleman credits Mainieri with making him the pitcher he is. There is a lot to criticize Mainieri about, but his treatment of Coleman is not one of them.
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Posted on 4/22/11 at 9:54 pm to Stevo
smoke loves sammy's cheese fries and walk-ons pitchers? hell yeah
Posted on 4/22/11 at 9:56 pm to Kim Jong Ir
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but his treatment of Coleman is not one of them.
I think it's fair to criticize Maineri for initially giving up to soon on Coleman. Though I give credit to Maineri for realizing that he made a mistake.
Posted on 4/22/11 at 9:57 pm to The Egg
I support any coach that has won a NC, but I think you could plug in anyone to follow Skip and they would be destined to fail. I would be interested to see if fan perception would be the same if Mainieri wouldve followed Skip as opposed to Mainieri following Smoke
Posted on 4/22/11 at 9:59 pm to clownbaby
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support any coach that has won a NC, but I think you could plug in anyone to follow Skip and they would be destined to fail. I would be interested to see if fan perception would be the same if Mainieri wouldve followed Skip as opposed to Mainieri following Smoke
agreed.
Posted on 4/22/11 at 10:04 pm to Stevo
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but his treatment of Coleman is not one of them.
I think it's fair to criticize Maineri for initially giving up to soon on Coleman. Though I give credit to Maineri for realizing that he made a mistake.
I heard Coleman speak at a banquet. He discussed Mainieri's treatment of him in detail. He said he hated Mainieri for some time but that it was Mainieri's "tough love" that motivated him and made him focus and become the pitcher we saw in 08 and 09. He gave a lot of credit to Mainieri, just saying.
Posted on 4/22/11 at 10:17 pm to Stevo
I actually really like PM, and think he's done a great job at LSU bringing the passion back, but in the context of this thread, it should be pointed out that their SEC records really aren't even close... Smoke did substantially better in regular season conference games...
SEC regular season games:
Smoke Laval (88-60) (.595)
Paul Mainieri (68-66) (.507)
Year-by-Year Results, Page 170
Mainieri has the hardware, though, and that was the big knock on Smoke. People forget that Smoke Laval was actually the winningest SEC head coach in the conference during his time here. Where he failed was in the postseason. We've taken a step back in the regular season, but PM has proven that he can bring home some trophies in the postseason, though with 3 conference tourney titles and of course two trips to Omaha that both resulted in at least one win there, one of which resulting in a national title. This is all great for discussion, but it's really moot ... PM's 2008 and 2009 seasons provided him with the luxury of having a couple down years. If we stink again next season though, the seat will begin to get warm, and rightfully so.
SEC regular season games:
Smoke Laval (88-60) (.595)
Paul Mainieri (68-66) (.507)
Year-by-Year Results, Page 170
Mainieri has the hardware, though, and that was the big knock on Smoke. People forget that Smoke Laval was actually the winningest SEC head coach in the conference during his time here. Where he failed was in the postseason. We've taken a step back in the regular season, but PM has proven that he can bring home some trophies in the postseason, though with 3 conference tourney titles and of course two trips to Omaha that both resulted in at least one win there, one of which resulting in a national title. This is all great for discussion, but it's really moot ... PM's 2008 and 2009 seasons provided him with the luxury of having a couple down years. If we stink again next season though, the seat will begin to get warm, and rightfully so.
This post was edited on 4/22/11 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 4/22/11 at 10:21 pm to JPLSU1981
Gimme post-season success.
Posted on 4/22/11 at 10:25 pm to JPLSU1981
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Mainieri has the hardware, though, and that was the big knock on Smoke. Smoke Laval was actually the winningest SEC head coach in the conference during his time here. Where he failed was in the postseason.
I agree. But another reason Smoke got canned was his horrible "off the field" presence. A program of LSU's caliber needs a coach that can coach AND handle himself with the fans and the media. Maybe not fair, but that is the way it is. While Smoke may have been able to coach, he failed miserably as the face of LSU baseball.
Posted on 4/22/11 at 10:29 pm to JPLSU1981
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Paul Mainieri (68-66) (.507)
Wow PM will have a losing overall SEC record after this season. pretty sad
Posted on 4/22/11 at 10:31 pm to Kim Jong Ir
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A program of LSU's caliber needs a coach that can coach AND handle himself with the fans and the media.
there is no comparison between the two here. Maineri is an excellent face for the program.
This post was edited on 4/22/11 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 4/22/11 at 10:34 pm to Stevo
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A program of LSU's caliber needs a coach that can coach AND handle himself with the fans and the media.
their is no comparison between the two here. Maineri is an excellent face for the program.
Yes. It will be interesting to see how Mainieri handles the adversity.
Posted on 4/22/11 at 10:36 pm to justind21
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This team is not very talented and that's the bottom line.
Agreed. We are now paying the price for a couple of mediocre recruiting classes in 2008 and 2009. This current freshman class is certainly contributing, but it's not enough right now.
Posted on 4/22/11 at 10:43 pm to josh336
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Since skip left baseball, how many coaches have won more than one championship
well, there's Paul Casey at Oregon St. Augie Garrido has won 2 as well. Championships aren't really my concern but having to limp your way into the SECT one year and possibly not making it the next is unacceptable, championship or not.
Posted on 4/22/11 at 10:47 pm to JPLSU1981
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Where he failed was in the postseason
and he really didnt fail. in 5 years he went to Omaha twice and lost in a Super regional another year.
looking back he never really had outstanding pitching in those years.
This post was edited on 4/22/11 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 4/22/11 at 10:59 pm to Lester Earl
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Where he failed was in the postseason
and he really didnt fail.
We went 2 and out the 2 times in Omaha (which saved me lots of $), but I agree that it wasn't a total postseason failure. As I have said, Smoke was not fired because of his W/L record. He was fired because he failed off the field. He alienated everyone. It was almost as if he went out of his way to do so. There were not many butts in the stadium Smoke's last year. It will be interesting to see how the fans react to our current losing trend.
This post was edited on 4/22/11 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 4/22/11 at 11:07 pm to Kim Jong Ir
Absolutely correct.
Posted on 4/22/11 at 11:07 pm to Lester Earl
If you kids want to fire PM, then who should replace him. NEWSFLASH, LSU is not perfect and can't win every game. Until most of you posters that never even attended LSU or a member of TAF uou need to STFU. If the team was currently winning, you assholes would be kissing PM's arse.
Posted on 4/22/11 at 11:22 pm to Kim Jong Ir
That, and the program declined on the field during his tenure, that really can't be argued.
Posted on 4/22/11 at 11:26 pm to avondale88
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If you kids want to fire PM, then who should replace him. NEWSFLASH, LSU is not perfect and can't win every game. Until most of you posters that never even attended LSU or a member of TAF uou need to STFU. If the team was currently winning, you assholes would be kissing PM's arse.
I don't want to fire Mainieri nor do I think most of the people on here want to. And I fully realize that you can't win every game or series. But there is absolutely no reason that a program like LSU should be struggling to simply make the SEC Tournament for the second straight year. Especially in a year when the West is completely mediocre.
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