re: Since 2007: LSU (2 SEC WC, 2 SECC, 1 NC), Bama (5 SEC WC, 3 SECC, 3 NC)

Alabama has a Head Coach with enough intelligence to put stubbornness and ego aside. Saban adapts to what is best for the team. He hired Kiffin and stepped aside to let him run his offense without meddling.

Let's see now, they're about ready to win yet another National Championship, using a new offense and a first year starting Quarterback!

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And once again, straight from your own fingers in this thread:

Or getting to play the #3 team in the polls because the BCS loved Oklahoma for some reason.

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Open Your Eyes

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Son (I hope you're just young), you have a lot to learn about argument. You keep quoting the same line as though he is guilty of the same thing he is accusing you of. He is not.

He's applying your flawed logic, about 2007, to 2003, in order to show you the fallacy of your own argument. I don't expect you to understand this post any more than you've understood his, but it's worth a try.

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Bama only won 4 SEC WC
2008
2009
2012
2014

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And 2013. That's 5.

Remember, you're talking about the Division. There are often Divisional Co-Champions. Alabama and Auburn were Western Division Co-Champions in 2013.

Florida and Georgia have both been Eastern Division Champions 4 times in the last decade.

Auburn and LSU have both been Western Division Champions 3 times in the last decade.

Saban could be living in dubai and clovis the crawfish could be coaching bama, les would still be square pegging all this talent into the round hole that is his paleozoic offensive strategy.

At the end of the day it has hardly anything to do with saban and bama, all to do with our team and this coach who has hamstrung this program for several years because of a bad decision to appoint two equally awful coaches as co-DCs which harmed the development of a freshman qb and stuck with his awful oc for too long because he is too damn loyal and has even admitted such

People laughed at saban hiring lane but what a move that was. Simms is a mediocre to avetage qb but THEY PUT HIM IN A SYSTEM THAT SETS HIM UP FOR SUCCESS. Meanwhile, our guys are lining up under center in the power I set up for many a third and long and plenty of failure.

I hope we can build off the way we looked vd TAMU and some of the new wrinkles but i wont hold my breath.



To the players...keep working hard and get better with these bowl practices. We support you.

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Of course, Bama still has the chance to win a 4th NC, and they probably will.

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I don't think they will.

Bama needed a TON of help this year to win the SECW. Once they leave the comfort of Steve Shaw's pals in the playoff, they will struggle.

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Les has been great in his time at LSU over all, but it is too bad that much of his tenure at LSU has coincided with one of the greatest of all runs in college football history by Bama under quite possibly the GOAT college coach in Saban.

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Agreed.

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Bama's success only makes LSU fans life miserable and exacerbates every little misstep by Miles.

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True.

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People like to call Les Miles a lucky coach. I will make the argument that he is one of the unluckiest ever to have to go against one of college football's greatest dynasties.

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I think what goes over everyone's head is the fact that Saban is much luckier than Miles will ever be.

2011 - Lose your biggest game, lose your conference/division, yet still get a Mulligan. How is that not lucky? That is PURE LUCK.

2012 - Lose your biggest home game again, win the SEC due to UGA choking AT THE GOAL LINE in the SECCG, then getting ND in the title game. Not to mention the fact that you win the SECW in 2012 due to some nice "schedule arrangements" by an alumni from the school you coach.

How is that not luck?

2014 - You need some serious "help" from Steve Shaw (Bama alum) and his crew to beat WVU, LSU, Arky and MSU. Steve Shaw and his boys TRIED to give you the Ole Miss game, but you just couldn't win it.

How is getting help in four wins not luck?

Aside from Nebraska in the 90's, or Miami in the 80's, I have not witnessed a team in my lifetime that didn't sustain success without a ton of help/luck along the way.

As far as I'm concerned, Saban is great, absolutely, but he literally has a horeshoe planted up his arse as well.

Not to mention the fact that during this entire tenure, he's "somehow" gotten the #1 class every year. The list of advantages goes on and on for this guy.

Saban should win the damn thing every year, IMO.

Most of the teams that win NC have some luck.

However, I say you go a step too far.

Miles being the ONLY, I repeat ONLY coach in BCS era to win a NC with 2 losses is beyond the normal luck that gets most teams to the big game.

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if you absolutely know that another coach and program in your conference/division is better than yours and will pretty much always be unless you do something about it, then you do something about it.

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So you're saying that every coach in the SEC should be fired with the exception of Saban? And I guess Saban should have been fired while at LSU because Spurrier/Meyer were better than him at that time (he lost 3/4 to UF).

You sir are delusional.

Les makes his fair share of mistakes but he also doesn't have a conference HQ going out of their way to help him like they do for another school.

Remove the biased scheduling, officiating, compliance, and sanctions from the SEC HQ and the subject line for this thread would be greatly different.

Screw the SEC!!! Geaux LSU!!!

Tell me more about how the referees are out to get LSU!!

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emember, you're talking about the Division. There are often Divisional Co-Champions. Alabama and Auburn were Western Division Co-Champions in 2013.

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I always consider the team that actually went to the SEC title game as the west winner. Co-championship banners don't matter.