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re: Sick of people bashing a true sophomore , 1st yr starter on a pro-style O.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 6:05 pm to kmcarabante
Posted on 1/21/16 at 6:05 pm to kmcarabante
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I think people is exagerating
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Posted on 1/21/16 at 6:29 pm to BigBrod81
quote:We have no idea when he suffered the injury. Could have been before the bowl game. And his lack of accuracy has been on display every game of the year, every game of high school, and even in the summer workouts televised between high school and LSU. So I really don't need a complete injury free season go decide. He needs to improve a ton in order to help LSU.
How could anyone realistically come to this conclusion knowing Harris was dealing with a sports hernia issue during the back end of the schedule? No one has a clue as to how his injury effected his accuracy.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 6:30 pm to kmcarabante
Up vote.
Wasn't Rohan Davey a 5th year redshirt senior when he set those records at QB?
Harris is 3 years more inexperienced, and his development should continue. He clearly has the arm. He keeps working on the finer points of the short game this off season coupled with some legit QB coaching on campus, I'm excited to see what he can do.
It feels like this team has formed a rare brotherhood with almost all of our juniors returning and genuinely play for each other and care about The Program
Wasn't Rohan Davey a 5th year redshirt senior when he set those records at QB?
Harris is 3 years more inexperienced, and his development should continue. He clearly has the arm. He keeps working on the finer points of the short game this off season coupled with some legit QB coaching on campus, I'm excited to see what he can do.
It feels like this team has formed a rare brotherhood with almost all of our juniors returning and genuinely play for each other and care about The Program
Posted on 1/21/16 at 6:36 pm to c on z
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It's still not that unrealistic to hope for good production out of a young QB. Guys like Kizer and Mahomes, who were lower rated QBs than Harris had better stats.
Of course young QBs can be productive. The "youth" excuse gets old ( pun intended) .
Josh Rosen, Brett Hundley before him, JT Barrett, Desean Watson, Brad Kaaya, and of course Manziel and Jameis were RS freshman. That's off the top of my head. If I did the research, I'd find a bunch of others. Young guys can do very well.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 6:38 pm to mmcgrath
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We have no idea when he suffered the injury.
Yes we do.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 6:59 pm to mmcgrath
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And his lack of accuracy has been on display every game of the year, every game of high school, and even in the summer workouts televised between high school and LSU.
You a stalker, brocephus?
Posted on 1/21/16 at 7:31 pm to atltiger6487
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Josh Rosen, Brett Hundley before him, JT Barrett, Desean Watson, Brad Kaaya, and of course Manziel and Jameis were RS freshman. That's off the top of my head. If I did the research, I'd find a bunch of others. Young guys can do very well.
This is the problem here. The spread has done a wonderful job of giving young quarterbacks the opportunity to produce right away but it also creates ridiculous comparisons like the one above when it comes to spread & pro style QBs.
In the QBs you listed, Winston is the only pro style listed. He is also the only QB listed who team won anything of any significant outside of Watson. Still in all, Clemson's defense played a major role in Clemson winning the ACC & defeating Oklahoma in the playoffs. It was those Tigers defensive blown assignments that ultimately prevented them from winning the ultimate prize.
Anyway, back to young quarterbacks. It wasn't that along ago before the infatuation & infestation of the spread, that highly touted QB recruits who started early would take their lumps without anyone not questioning the process behind it. I don't think its a coincidence either that Bama has used 5th year seniors in back to back seasons on their way to representing the SEC in the college football playoff but hey, young spread QBs are all the rave, right? The end result has made expectations for young QBs in pro style offenses unrealistic. Does Christian Hackenberg ring a bell?
This post was edited on 1/21/16 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 1/21/16 at 7:34 pm to AjaxFury
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Wasn't Rohan Davey a 5th year redshirt senior when he set those records at QB?
Harris is 3 years more inexperienced, and his development should continue. He clearly has the arm. He keeps working on the finer points of the short game this off season coupled with some legit QB coaching on campus, I'm excited to see what he can do.
Go on & get with that type of rational logic. It doesn't belong on the Rant.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 7:47 pm to mmcgrath
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We have no idea when he suffered the injury. Could have been before the bowl game.
You just gave everyone a reason to completely ignore anything you ever post from here on out. It's obvious that you didn't pay close attention at all during the Alabama game. If you couldn't spot Harris getting injuried in that game, how in the hell is anyone supposed to take any of your "evaluations" seriously?
Also you must have slept through the South Carolina & Florida games if you strongly feel that Harris showed no development at all this season.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 7:49 pm to kmcarabante
There were some bad throws that deserved some criticism, but I don't think there was any real bashing of Harris.
The bashing was of the pitiful offensive schemes that never gave Harris a chance to get into game tempo in early non conference games. All we did was run, and acted real surprised when it didn't work against quality SEC opponents. That, and never realizing it didn't work and not adjusting.
We'll know by game 1 weather Les understands that offensive won't win in the SEC. Saban realized it and hired Kiffin to modernize his offense. We all know too well how that turned out.
The bashing was of the pitiful offensive schemes that never gave Harris a chance to get into game tempo in early non conference games. All we did was run, and acted real surprised when it didn't work against quality SEC opponents. That, and never realizing it didn't work and not adjusting.
We'll know by game 1 weather Les understands that offensive won't win in the SEC. Saban realized it and hired Kiffin to modernize his offense. We all know too well how that turned out.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 7:50 pm to kmcarabante
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Sick of people bashing a true sophomore , 1st yr starter on a pro-style O.
i hate to tell you this, but...people are gonna be bashing a true junior, 2nd year starter in a pro style O this fall.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 7:53 pm to mmcgrath
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every game of high school
I call BS...you dont know this with any certainty...youre just feelin your oats.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 7:57 pm to SaintInBham
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Saban realized it and hired Kiffin to modernize his offense. We all know too well how that turned out.
Alabama's offense has actually gotten worse each of the last three years. Fortunately, the defense has improved in both yards allowed and turnovers each of the last thee years, so it has covered up any regression in the offense.
You notice, when they needed to win a game this year, they handed the ball to Derrick Henry.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 7:58 pm to BigBrod81
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Go on & get with that type of rational logic. It doesn't belong on the Rant.
I'll never give up on The Rant....ha ha ...it's making me a better person. Every. Single. Day.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 7:59 pm to kmcarabante
quote:WITH A SPORTS HERNIA !
Sick of people bashing a true sophomore
Posted on 1/21/16 at 7:59 pm to BigBrod81
So your argument is that he was accurate up until the Alabama game, including his short and intermediate passes, and that the injury sustained in the bama game caused him to suddenly become inaccurate on the short and intermediate passes but maintain his accuracy on longer passes.....makes sense, except that, well he wasn't accurate all year on short and swing passes, or intermediate passes.
Throw your comparisons up to other qbs all you want...bottom line is that those qbs didn't struggle to complete 10 yard passes. This injury crap is just that....crap...just an excuse.
Throw your comparisons up to other qbs all you want...bottom line is that those qbs didn't struggle to complete 10 yard passes. This injury crap is just that....crap...just an excuse.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 8:00 pm to chilge1
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Alabama's offense has actually gotten worse each of the last three years.
There talent on offense has dropped off in the past three years. Sims wasn't really a true quarterback, and they made a FS castoff look like a Heisman candidate. The fact that they held the line with far less is all coaching. Trust me, I hate Kiffin and Saban as much as any of you, but it's the truth.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 8:04 pm to kmcarabante
You tell it sista.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 8:07 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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This injury crap is just that....crap...just an excuse.
You always want to give Miles and company the benefit of the doubt....well now I do as well. They say he was injured. You have absolutely no way of knowing whether thats true or not. You've obviously never played sports and had a debilitating injury that limited your performance. He clearly was making some progress before the Bama game and then suddenly began regressing. An injury would explain that. I'll trust the coaches on this one if its all the same to you Doc Hollow.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 8:23 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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