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re: Should Tommy Moffitt feel the heat?

Posted on 5/14/19 at 7:01 pm to
Posted by sumbodyorsum1
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 7:01 pm to
All the OP asked was should he feel heat.

Why shouldn’t paid assistants feel pressure to be better? Especially ones that have been around for a bit. I would be okay with a change if we continue to look overmatched against certain teams. Of course that’s mostly a coaching issue, but I very much welcome change if we have another three loss season.
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:14 pm to
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Because you are a famous strength coach and know all everything it? I bet you read about it all the time and of course Moffitt doesn't. You know this from all the in depth conversations on the subject you have with him every week?


I humored you by going back through some of your post history to see one shred of evidence that you have said anything positive about LSU...as you suggested. Nope. Just more of this. Douchey, combative response followed by emoji, and nothing positive. How far should I go back?

And for the record I agree with you in this instance.

You whine about how negative this site is, and yet you’re hands down the most consistently miserable poster I’ve seen. “You don’t see how hypocritical that is?” -your words.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 8:19 pm
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:31 pm to
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Should Tommy Moffitt feel the heat?

I don't know the answer to that. However, if LSU's receivers (WRs, TEs, RBs) aren't getting at least 50 catching reps in every conditioning session, then Moffitt is dropping the ball. Badly.

This is eye/hand & muscle reflex conditioning. It can only be improved through continual year-round repetitions.

Further, the football coaching staff CAN NOT require this in the off-season. Only the S&O coach can. This is how it works in elite passing programs.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 8:38 pm
Posted by LSUNV
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:42 pm to
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The game has long since passed him by



Dear Lord! You can’t be serious? You can literally go to google and type in Tommy Moffitt best strength and conditioning coach in the world and there are a bunch of articles that make you look dumb. Moffitt was one of the first to implement besides ODU to use GPS tracking as a tool for conditioning. It’s state of the art cutting edge
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:45 pm to
Let me repeat:

If LSU's receivers (WRs, TEs, RBs) aren't getting at least 50 catching reps in every conditioning session, then Moffitt is dropping the ball. Badly.

This is eye/hand & muscle reflex conditioning. It can only be improved through continual year-round repetitions.

Further, the football coaching staff CAN NOT require this in the off-season. Only the S&O coach can. This is how it works in elite passing programs.
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:46 pm to
I don’t understand your question. I’d love to know what you would do differently since you know his program so well
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:54 pm to
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I don’t understand your question. I’d love to know what you would do differently since you know his program so well
There was zero improvement in the "drop" problem for receivers from January 1, to the Spring game.

So yeah, I'd start the change right there. Must be a hundred solid former NFL receivers who would love to work with these LSU athletes in Moffitt's off-season program.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 8:55 pm
Posted by sheek
Lake Chuck
Member since Sep 2007
44147 posts
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:15 pm to
I figure this thread would pop up sooner or later. Came a little later this year
Posted by LSUNV
In the woods or on the water
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 10:44 pm to
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There was zero improvement in the "drop" problem for receivers from January 1, to the Spring


Tommy Moffitt is not the receivers coach. Now maybe if you would bring him up you might have a point.

quote:

This is eye/hand & muscle reflex conditioning. It can only be improved through continual year-round repetitions


Again, Moffitt is not responsible for fixing receivers drop issues. The WR coach is. It is his responsibility to get them the necessary reps and evaluate the level of technique.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 10:47 pm
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 5/14/19 at 11:11 pm to
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Again, Moffitt is not responsible for fixing receivers drop issues. The WR coach is. It is his responsibility to get them the necessary reps and evaluate the level of technique.

Wrong.

The S&C coach has the team for most of the off-season. If he is not rolling out the Jugs machines every day he has the receivers, he is failing the passing game.

You can bet your arse all elite passing programs are getting daily reps during S&C for their WRs on the off-season.

Moffitt was S&C coach when Odell and Landry had to break into the facility to get reps. Right?
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 11:14 pm
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
12486 posts
Posted on 5/14/19 at 11:22 pm to
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Moffitt was S&C coach when Odell and Landry had to break into the facility to get reps. Right?


You do understand that the NCAA regulates the number of hours teams can work out their players? LSU has never had trouble getting their WR’s in the NFL. You can chill on this issue.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 5/14/19 at 11:30 pm to
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You do understand that the NCAA regulates the number of hours teams can work out their players? LSU has never had trouble getting their WR’s in the NFL. You can chill on this issue.

Yes. It is the 20 hour rule. Elite passing teams have no problem getting their WRs reps within that rule. And WRs working out on passing machines (without coaches) are exempt from the 20 hour rule.

And LSU didn't get Odell and Landry into the NFL. They had to break in to get their reps.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 11:39 pm
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 11:40 pm to
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Moffitt was S&C coach when Odell and Landry had to break into the facility to get reps. Right?


*extra reps. You are being quite weird on this issue. You heard the story that Odell and Jarvis wore out the Jugs machine? Of all of the stupid reasons to hate on Coach Moffitt, this one is at the top. I’m going to enjoy our WR’s victories against quality opponents this year. Have a great day!
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 5/14/19 at 11:46 pm to
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*extra reps. You are being quite weird on this issue. You heard the story that Odell and Jarvis wore out the Jugs machine? Of all of the stupid reasons to hate on Coach Moffitt, this one is at the top. I’m going to enjoy our WR’s victories against quality opponents this year. Have a great day!


No one is hating on Moffitt. But he needs to revamp his workouts for receivers. Orgeron and E brought in Brady to make the offense cutting edge.

Moffitt needs to adapt his workouts to the new emphasis on passing. Miles blew the passing game off. That's why he's in freakin Kansas.
Posted by TheFlyingTiger
Member since Oct 2009
4146 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 12:10 am to
Scheme change and compliance department (read: TRT/HGH) changes will help
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
34572 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 12:16 am to
that's all Lester earl does

a. take the unpopular side of argument

b. ask question that really cant be answered
Posted by 72Tigah
Gonzales
Member since Jan 2010
1673 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 12:19 am to
I think O leaned on him a bit following the the season. Moffit is responsible for player conditioning to a standard that he is not aware of. Talking linemen here. To say that the O linemen were in SEC shape last season is really stupid. Ask JB. He put his life on the line every play. Proper weight along with conditioning enables these linemen to function. Last season? No. It's the main issue going into next season by far. It starts with Moffitt. Until they get in SEC shape, posters here will continue to blame everyone but the cause, Moffitt.
Posted by LSUNV
In the woods or on the water
Member since Feb 2011
23113 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 2:40 am to
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Wrong. The S&C coach has the team for most of the off-season. If he is not rolling out the Jugs machines every day he has the receivers, he is failing the passing game. You can bet your arse all elite passing programs are getting daily reps during S&C for their WRs on the off-season. Moffitt was S&C coach when Odell and Landry had to break into the facility to get reps. Right?



LOL, you are arguing with someone that has 2 best friends that played for LSU and one was an all American receiver. I know for a fact not an opinion that players meet with position coaches during the offseason for Evals.

When your S&C coach has to spend that kind of time with certain skill players, you are taking away from other players who may need S&C more than others. Outstanding players don’t need hand holding. They want to win and will find a way to get more reps like OBJ and Landry. Maybe O should recruit players with that kind of work ethic
This post was edited on 5/15/19 at 2:44 am
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
48952 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 2:56 am to
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Let’s at least start with why you feel he needs to be replaced.
Because he's seen it mentioned on here.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 4:07 am to
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Maybe O should recruit players with that kind of work ethic
Maybe O should get a S&C guy with the kind of work ethic to type a memo ordering the Jugs machines to be set up and ready for the WRs every damn day. Moffitt doesn't have to do shite. Just order an assistant to set it up.

S&C coaches don't need to babysit WRs while they get reps. A 10-year old can feed the balls to the machine.

And of course, coaches meet with players off-season. But not to actively coach. There is no need to violate some dumb NCAA rule when S&C can do it within the rules.

Ohio State did these drills for the first time last off-season and it helped them go over 5000 yards passing in '18. Haskins and the new scheme played a huge part, but so did the well prepared WRs, TEs, RBs.

All these guys demanding excellence on the rant, but they're OK with their WRs to practice like a flag football team. Like... whenever... whatever.

Jugs in the off-season is the new normal - Moffitt is 30 years behind the times for receivers.
This post was edited on 5/15/19 at 4:10 am
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