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re: Shaw's response to Sternberger fumble
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:00 am to Dave England
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:00 am to Dave England
The Mond knee down was not even a question for the review. It was some thing spotted that allowed for the change of possession to be nullified.
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:00 am to LNCHBOX
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He didn't take two steps with possession of the ball. Hate to break it to yall, but it wasn't a catch. It sucks, but it is what it is.
Two steps is not the rule and hasn’t been for years.
After control is established, “An act common to the game” is the new standard.
It’s subjective and inconclusive. By rule it could have went either way. And like it or not, the play by Mond could have too. Neither should have been overturned
This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 9:03 am
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:03 am to GeeOH
Ref's sucked peoiod!!! 
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:04 am to foghat
what is really disturbing is that the refs didn't stop play to review to make sure they got the call right. they damn sure stopped it to review mond's knee, which would be the proper thing to do.
totally different treatment.
how can some of these moronic posters make a statement like "there were 6 close calls that all went the other way" and think this is just how it fell out? give me a break.
totally different treatment.
how can some of these moronic posters make a statement like "there were 6 close calls that all went the other way" and think this is just how it fell out? give me a break.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:05 am to LNCHBOX
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Those aren't equal scenarios and aren't governed by the same set of rules.
You haven’t been able to cite which rules are applicable to the Mond play. Others have, and there is no indisputable evidence that he was down by rule.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:08 am to doubleb
I think the "2 step" argument isn't really the issue. Take the example of a Receiver who is tip-toeing the sideline and makes a catch with his arms extended and falls out of bounds taking no steps. He clearly has possession and control but makes no steps or "act common to the game" there, he just falls out of bounds. Possession and control is the main point here.
This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 9:10 am
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:09 am to Dave England
This
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:10 am to stephendomalley
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what is really disturbing is that the refs didn't stop play to review to make sure they got the call right. they damn sure stopped it to review mond's knee, which would be the proper thing to do.
This I absolutely agree with. It was a close play in a huge moment that should have gone to review.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:12 am to OceanMan
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It’s subjective and inconclusive. By rule it could have went either way. And like it or not, the play by Mond could have too. Neither should have been overturned
This is the key point. Under the proper review standard, both plays should have been left to stand by the RULING ON THE FIELD. There was nothing conclusive to overturn either on review. Except the second one would have never happened without the first being overturned. Oh well.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:16 am to Y.A. Tittle
I think it was a fumble but it's really close. Sternberger thought it was a fumble because he raised both hands over his head and slapped the ground. We had an unbelievable number of hair line calls go against us. Just a perfect storm of misery. The football gods will even it up with a NY6 bowl against Michigan. 
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:17 am to foghat
Lame excuse for incompetent officials, should be forced to send written apologies to players when they screw-up
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:20 am to foghat
Dude fricking caught it and switched hands as he was turning up field after two steps. frick Steve Shaw.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:20 am to WM
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He didn't take two steps with possession of the ball. Hate to break it to yall, but it wasn't a catch. It sucks, but it is what it is.
So you're saying if his second step would have landed out of bounds it would have been incomplete? I hate to break it to you, but you're wrong.
This is a good point. Clearly it would have be a catch in this scneario, which would lead you to believe he had possession.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:20 am to OceanMan
lol he got pwned straight out the thread 
BUT BUT BUT TWO STEPS DURRRRRRR
BUT BUT BUT TWO STEPS DURRRRRRR
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:22 am to Bagger Joe
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Possession and control is the main point here.
youre not wrong but you are being redundant.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:26 am to foghat
How about ball is caught with 1 foot in bounds on a bang bang play without tucking the ball...this is a completion but not when u catch a ball and it is busted out by contact, is incomplete? Complete horseshite
This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 9:28 am
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:29 am to foghat
Does anyone have an email for this p-stain on football? That's ridiculous Guy has the ball has control of the ball and is changing hands
Refs protecting their own
Refs protecting their own
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:30 am to foghat
Plus he was close enough to the goal line to dive. He was never going to tuck that ball.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:31 am to xiv
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Anyone who can’t accept it at this point simply isn’t being an adult.
Acceptance of the outcome of the game and acknowledging that the outcome was influenced by at best questionable officiating are two different things
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:33 am to LNCHBOX
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LNCHBOX
the whole "steps" argument or number of steps argument are in valid... he doesnt have to take any steps... its about control AND Common play... which he did both.... that is what the rule says.... no where does it say steps..
If i run a 10 yard hitch, catch the ball, get a cramp and cant move... get drilled a couple seconds after that and fumble the ball, its still a fumble... steps dont matter, i possessed the ball.
fact is that was a catch and a fumble by rule... period... the TAMU vs Bama video proves it, its the same thing... all that has happened with nfl refs trying to explain is BS to try and cloud the rule or make it look like it could have gone either way... False, that was a catch and fumble as the rule reads...
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