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re: Russell Shepard will be primarily a WR while at LSU. T or F?

Posted on 3/15/09 at 10:27 am to
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
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Posted on 3/15/09 at 10:27 am to
I like the Wild Tiger or whatever they want to call it, but if your not willing to let the deepback in that position throw its not really a threat IMO.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/15/09 at 10:30 am to
i think the option element alone is pretty effective, but yes, if you have a real throwing threat you take it to a new level. it's not like throwing is a common act out of the formation, however
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
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Posted on 3/15/09 at 10:45 am to
quote:

i think the option element alone is pretty effective, but yes, if you have a real throwing threat you take it to a new level. it's not like throwing is a common act out of the formation, however


thats what makes RS dangerous, from what i have seen he appears to be pretty accurate. I am somewhat of a purest I like the option game. It forces defenses to play asignment defense and read and react rather than just attack. Overall thou I don't like the spread offenses like WV runs. I like what LSU did in 2007 where they ran alittle bit of everything. It will give LSU such a big advantage. Teams will have to prepare for just about every package LSU can throw out there. With the players LSU has on campus now, they could run anything from Power-I to the run and shoot.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
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Posted on 3/15/09 at 10:47 am to
which reminds me, of the Georgia tech idiots who were claiming their offense was a variation of the run and shoot

when anyone with any sense knows it was nothing more than the old wing-T offense.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/15/09 at 10:51 am to
i agree having multiple offensive threats is good, i just wish we'd really open it up and use our effective, creative plays

crowton (and/or miles) seem to abandon effective plays that work well in 1 game. for example the triple option play from 2007 where RP is the QB and trindon went in motion left, then we'd have the triple option of RP and KW going right (which is similar to a wild x). another example is the scott-KW i-form that we used really well against USC

having JJ and RS on the field can work well for different formations, b/c JJ can split out wide and be a legit threat at WR (he's fast enough and big enough to warrant DB attention). RS would have to line up a lot at WR so that teams wouldn't know that "shep in = option play."

but yeah we could fully expand our option game. read option like WV, wildcat, triple option plays out of the shotgun, etc would all be possibilities, but to sell these shep has to be mainly a WR (and JJ has to be willin to play a lil WR sprinkled in) to really make it effective
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
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Posted on 3/15/09 at 11:03 am to
I shudder to say this because I will get laughed at. But with some luck ( injuries and such ) and good play calling and player utilization ( this is partially luck too, right call at the right time to the right player ) LSU could have the most dangerous diversified offense in college history. Hasn't been many times that a team has had this many players with so many varing talents at such a high level.
Posted by Cussian
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Posted on 3/15/09 at 11:08 am to
Never underestimate the injury factor. JJ takes on tacklers way too much (hopefully the extra 15# can help here), and Lee has had his stint with injuries. It makes sense to get RS some meaningful reps at QB.
Posted by Doc Fenton
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Posted on 3/15/09 at 11:10 am to
quote:

which reminds me, of the Georgia tech idiots who were claiming their offense was a variation of the run and shoot


What does that say about the defensive coaching at Miami and Georgia?
Posted by tigerbill002
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Posted on 3/15/09 at 11:11 am to
I keep hearing how RS will play WR. He is extremely talented. I personally believe his development at the QB position will pay huge dividends, in years down the road. If he develops his passing game a little more the young man will be an unstoppable terror. The playbook possibilities would be wide open and just scary. I would love to see him on the field in any capacity too, but lets ask a few questions.

1) Has RS ever played WR?
2) How well does RS run routes?
3) How well does RS block
4) How good are RS hands as a WR?
5) Can he do all of these things better than those WR already on the depth chart (can he beat them out)?

Sure Id like to see him get some action as a slot or even a scatback running reverses, screens, WR passes, etc. But these are some questions that must be answered before RS will play WR.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
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Posted on 3/15/09 at 11:24 am to
All very good questions, all of which doesn't concern me one bit. The kid has stated many times he just wants to do whatever helps the team win. he doesn't care where he players. This is the best thing about it.
Posted by sml71
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Posted on 3/15/09 at 11:26 am to
quote:

Not too large of an exaggeration. Below is a sample of his accomplishments:


SeniorPablo, you've posted here enough to know the utter futility of using facts, statistics and logic here...especially against the SloFloPro's of the rant.
Posted by sml71
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Posted on 3/15/09 at 11:28 am to
Tigerbill002, stop using well thought-out football knowledge...you'll hurt someone here.
Posted by sml71
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Posted on 3/15/09 at 11:30 am to
All very good questions, all of which doesn't concern me one bit.
quote:

All very good questions, all of which doesn't concern me one bit.


This sums up most ratners better than anything I've ever seen...in fact, it's going to become my signature quote!

Emotion trumps logic every time. I mean, you realize that these are good points, they just don't influence you???

Geez.
This post was edited on 3/15/09 at 11:36 am
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 3/15/09 at 11:32 am to
I don't think Shep will play WR, primarily anyways.

he may have 20 catches in 4 years at LSU.
Posted by Bad Cat
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Posted on 3/15/09 at 11:35 am to
It all depends on his arm strength, and only time will tell.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/15/09 at 11:39 am to
quote:

Emotion trumps logic every time

emotion: hoping shep becomes a real QB
logic: shep won't become a real QB

just fyi
Posted by sml71
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Posted on 3/15/09 at 11:47 am to
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i love shep, but it's seriously doubtful that he'll ever be a real quarterback for LSU


This, you see, along with the fact that SFP has nothing better to do with his time than post record numbers on the rant, is why I can't take him even remotely seriously.

Miles has the nation's #1 QB prospect on his roster, yet RS (in the infinite player evaluation wisdom of SFP) is somehow not up to the task? Do you not realize that by getting RS, Miles all but ensured that most other high QB prospects aren't going to come to LSU? Do you not realize that by recruiting RS, this influences the WR's who will or won't commit to LSU...probably a few linemen as well?

In short, do you really think that Miles essentially decided that his QB situation from last year is what he wants for the next couple of years and that he wants the nation's no. 1 QB recruit so that he can use him for other things, even when that means that the other stud QB's up for grabs will likely go elsewhere? Does he do this knowing that his new stud WR's didn't sign up for LSU so that they could play QB roulette a la last year's situation during their collegiate careers?

SFP...if whomever starts next year starts to struggle, you will be one of the first to criticize Miles for not utilizing RS as a true freshman under center!
Posted by Redfish2010
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Posted on 3/15/09 at 11:48 am to
true
Posted by sml71
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Posted on 3/15/09 at 11:57 am to
quote:

emotion: hoping shep becomes a real QB


Emotion is looking past RS's obscenely gaudy QB stats and concluding that he somehow can't beat out Jarret Lee, Jordan Jefferson and company and become LSU's starting QB!

Emotion is using post no. 137344 to utilize that piercing logic of yours that nowhere near addresses the issue at hand. Why don't you just use post no. 137345 to say "WILL NOT", counselor?
This post was edited on 3/15/09 at 12:01 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/15/09 at 12:09 pm to
quote:

Miles has the nation's #1 QB prospect on his roster,

dual threat QB/Athlete

quote:

yet RS (in the infinite player evaluation wisdom of SFP) is somehow not up to the task?

it's not a slight on RS. it's logistics

unless he redshirts, he's going to have 1 year to play QB almost definitely

in the meantime his time and coaching is going to be used in non-QB roles

all the while, garrett will be getting 100% coaching/practice in a QB role

and garrett fits crowton's offense (spread). shep fits in more of a spread option (which crowton dabbles in and is developing, but is not his main offense

which of these points do you disagree with?
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