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re: Rosetta is Right. This REALLY needs to happen...

Posted on 1/17/12 at 7:19 am to
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 1/17/12 at 7:19 am to
quote:

Leaders take control of bad situations. By not addressing these concerns, Les is showing a lack of leadership that is hurting the program.


he may address it....but i don't think he's going to throw a player under the bus like that
Posted by DP40
Swamps and creeks
Member since Nov 2008
9907 posts
Posted on 1/17/12 at 7:22 am to
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he may address it....but i don't think he's going to throw a player under the bus like that


Uhhhh, he already threw Lee under the bus...multiple times.

Seeing that LSU is indeed a public institution, Les owes the public some answers.
Posted by Fabius
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2007
458 posts
Posted on 1/17/12 at 7:28 am to
Choctaw - you keep alluding to this. If true, why wasn't that player suspended? If a player is allowed to dress out, he should be available to play if needed. If he isn't then another player should be ready to step up. If Miles put himself in a position where the team had to win or lose with an ineffective QB, then he mismanaged the situation.
Posted by Roaad
White Privilege Broker
Member since Aug 2006
76472 posts
Posted on 1/17/12 at 7:29 am to
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Seeing that LSU is indeed a public institution, Les owes the public some answers.
LSU is one of 2 athletic departments that take zero public dollars.

So. . .
Posted by Manswers
Michigan
Member since Feb 2009
3617 posts
Posted on 1/17/12 at 7:36 am to
Not sure how you define "throw[n] under the bus". I define it as calling out someone's failures as an excuse for why a team lost. I have never seen Miles do this. Miles is handling the situation exactly as he should. He's not eloquent but he shows good judgment in handling these situations. He is doing exactly what I would recommend in this situation - don't blame anyone, look forward, and focus on recruiting and next season.
Posted by TigerNlc
Chocolate City
Member since Jun 2006
32491 posts
Posted on 1/17/12 at 7:40 am to
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Les Miles owes nobody but his boss anything.

Here is what LES should tell most of the LSU Fans who criticize him:

You are right Les doesn't owe anyone anything and the fans don't owe less shite either so everyone should stop crying when he is criticized because he deserves it.
Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2006
40881 posts
Posted on 1/17/12 at 7:46 am to
My wife doesn't know shite about football and she thought it was incredibly stupid to run the option. No way was Baka not going to be ready
This post was edited on 1/17/12 at 8:51 am
Posted by Macknight22
MS Gulf Coast
Member since Oct 2011
40 posts
Posted on 1/17/12 at 7:47 am to
LSU is a public institution as is its football program. LSU and its football program is bigger than any one person, including Miles, and it will be around long after all of us here are long gone!

Miles is merely the guardian of the program and he dropped the ball immensly. Dont think for a moment that if my parents gave me the keys to super charged sports car that I wouldnt have to answer to them should I crack it up.

To say Les owes the fans nothing is simply not the case. But for the revenue the fans bring to the table and the multi million dollar position he holds would be non-existant. Indeed, football stadiums were built and expanded to accomodate more fans.

I dont think losing to Alabama hurts as much as the way we lost. As for recruiting, I think what hurts most is the way Lee was treated. This did not start on 1/9...it started after 11/5. We were ahead by bunches after that in numerous games and Lee still did not play. And to send Lee in to take a knee against Georgia? After all that Lee did in the first part of the season? OMG! If I was a parent, I would have serious reservations sending my kid to a school who treated a kid like that.

So why doesnt Les come out and explain to ease the fears of the parents of the new recruits? I think because its indefensible. What hurts us the most is that it was carried out on a national stage.

Always purple and gold! Geaux Tigers!
Posted by Russianblue
Member since Nov 2007
1107 posts
Posted on 1/17/12 at 7:51 am to
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Give it a rest.


Macknight22 is RIGHT on target.

This whole 'let it go' thing is admirable (i appreciate your superior intestinal fortitude) but ignorant. Moreover, it does NOTHING to solve the problem which exists today....that the LSU fan base is in an uproar. We can argue whether that is in fact a real problem and it MAY not be, but more and more data is pointing to the fact that it IS a problem when the fans aren't happy. Well....at least when the fans are THIS unhappy.

IF an upset fan base (to this extreme) IS a real issue, then it is now too late to just let this go. If it were so easy for people to just GET OVER IT, then why is the fan base still boiling? If you are expecting a superhuman effort from those same people to get over this, you aren't going to get it. And you can't just ditch em all. So what do you do? Ignore it? No!

Why does a political candidate come out and address his constituency when a crisis occurs? Because that's the only way to handle it. A silent leader is a poor leader. And make no mistake, CLM is leading his fan base as WELL as his team.

Despite what its members may believe, TD represents a very small fraction of Tiger fans worldwide. But the unrest on this BB is likely representative of the fan base as a whole. Telling off individuals one by one (again, your superior intestinal fortitude) does nothing to achieve your goal, which is to calm the fanbase i would assume. Your efforts are simply not scalable - beyond the throes of the 10k people who might read your thread.

Moreover, I would argue that you create MORE/continued unrest by aggressively addressing those looking for resolution with tepid platitudes topped with an air of bulletin board (based on post count) superiority.

So to all of you who keep saying that LSU fans don't deserve answers...you are flat wrong. And your efforts to enforce your beliefs actually perpetuate the problems i would assume that you genuinely wish to mitigate. i.e...your actions result in the opposite of your intentions.

As much as we would like, not everyone can be the mental and emotional cyborgs that YOUR internet personalities inhabit (an analysis for another day).

The situation is what it is. The fan base is in an uproar. shite SEEMS to be hitting the fan. Perception is reality. CLM can have a HUGE hand in quelling it. He SHOULD take this opportunity to do so.

It WILL die down in time. No doubt. But unresolved issues which are swept under the carpet result in bitterness and anger. That's a fact.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 1/17/12 at 8:07 am to
quote:

Uhhhh, he already threw Lee under the bus...multiple times.


no he didn't

quote:

Seeing that LSU is indeed a public institution, Les owes the public some answers.


if he told you what really happened would it change your opinion of him?
Posted by TXARTiger
East Texas
Member since Sep 2007
1010 posts
Posted on 1/17/12 at 8:10 am to
I have srongly supported this university since my first graduation in 1963 and will continue to do so. However, the money, effort, miles, and work I have put into this university over the past 48 years has earned me the right to be critical of the school or it's employees including Les Miles. It is high time Coach Miles or the Aministration put this game to rest, even if it is "We've said all that is going to be said, now let's move on." Say something once and for all.
This post was edited on 1/17/12 at 8:12 am
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 1/17/12 at 8:12 am to
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Choctaw - you keep alluding to this. If true, why wasn't that player suspended? If a player is allowed to dress out, he should be available to play if needed.


i don't know....maybe because suspending him would've just made it worse. Players that will never see the field dress out every game.

quote:

If Miles put himself in a position where the team had to win or lose with an ineffective QB, then he mismanaged the situation.


i guess he decided to stick by his word...whether it cost him a NC or not. I guess he could've played Mett.....but then everyone would've just been bitching more about why he put in Mett and not Lee
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 1/17/12 at 8:12 am to
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no he didn't


your delusions are astounding.

do you really believe what you type?
Posted by Duckie
Tippy Toe, Louisiana
Member since Apr 2010
24314 posts
Posted on 1/17/12 at 8:18 am to
I completely agree with this.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 1/17/12 at 8:19 am to
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your delusions are astounding.

do you really believe what you type?




tell your boy he should've gone to class
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34891 posts
Posted on 1/17/12 at 8:20 am to
Am I wrong, or did Les (more or less) *apologize* and admit that he "didn't see this coming". That's it...that's all you are going to get out of Les. To publically admit that he went into a historic NC game, against Saban...virtually unprepared, would be suicidal for the whole program. Not to mention his personal stock.

What he is - and damn well had better be - doing, is GO TO WORK in recruiting to fill in the blanks for another potential run next year. And coming clean about J. Lee...doesn't include admiting that he should have played Lee. Bama's rush hammered JJ, negated the option and the run game, and would have freaked the immobile Lee, slap out.

The only option would have been to come up with an ORIGINAL GAMEPLAN to negate Saban's bull rush of 7 men. Les didn't do that...and I doubt that any of us will ever hear him admit it; he's too proud. Character flaw. Reality. So we had all just as well shut up for the future good of our team, and hope that Les learned a valuable lesson; that being that Saban will be prepared to embarrass his arse for the big dance...next year.

PS...recruit QB's that can run and throw, if you want to win NC's. Especially down in the SEC.



Posted by TigerNlc
Chocolate City
Member since Jun 2006
32491 posts
Posted on 1/17/12 at 8:21 am to
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PS...recruit QB's that can run and throw, if you want to win NC's. Especially down in the SEC.

AJ McCarron seemed to do alright without running.

Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 1/17/12 at 8:22 am to
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tell your boy he should've gone to class



he passed didn't he, as evidenced by his eligibility, confirmed by Miles AND Alleva.

Oh, and since grades are private, how do you know he didnt attend class? That was merely another one of you and the Miles apologists "memes" to explain the coach's bullshite behavior.
You should stick to your delusional rants...
This post was edited on 1/17/12 at 8:23 am
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 1/17/12 at 8:22 am to
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Geez, man. I thought you were a better poster than this.


link?
Posted by Langston
Member since Nov 2010
7685 posts
Posted on 1/17/12 at 8:22 am to
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tell your boy he should've gone to class


Talk about baseless rumors... he didnt go to class or had academic problems so he couldnt play, yet he graduated. And JJ got to play while charges hung. Right
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