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re: Rod Gilmore made most sense in all of this BCS.....

Posted on 11/27/11 at 8:57 pm to
Posted by moneyg
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Posted on 11/27/11 at 8:57 pm to
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Which would be the two teams considered to be the best. If that is Bama, so be it. Deal with it.



You are using the end result to justify the logic behind the selection. That is illogical. If Ok. State somehow sneaks to #2, it doesn't automatically prove the pro-Alabama crowd wrong.

This entire discussion is about who SHOULD be ranked #2.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 11/27/11 at 8:57 pm to
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defense: C-



You are being gracious, and even at that, wouldn't be a championship team. Their defense is pitiful.

They are not in LSU/Bama's class. Period.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 11/27/11 at 8:59 pm to
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You are using the end result to justify the logic behind the selection.



People with reasoning skills and the ability to evaluate talent believe the two best teams are Bama and LSU? That one?
Posted by Mike Linebacker
Texas
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Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:00 pm to
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cowgaggies


I like that. I've also called them Traffic Cone Aggie because of their orange color.
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:02 pm to
Bama's special teams is pathetic...not championship caliber at all
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:02 pm to
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IceTiger



If Ok. State had a defense I would be sympathetic to your argument. They are giving up over 450 yds a game and 27 points. I just can't take that serious.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:03 pm to
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Bama's special teams is pathetic...not championship caliber at all


Yeah well...their defense would make up for it against anyone but LSU.
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:03 pm to
I have my pet names of ridicule for the cowgirls, for certain
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:04 pm to
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People with reasoning skills and the ability to evaluate talent believe the two best teams are Bama and LSU? That one?


and had Ok State squeaked out a win at Iowa State this fact wouldn't be different, yet Ok State would be ranked #2 today.


Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:04 pm to
Most of the yards they give up are catch-up yards...teams throw all game long on them
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:05 pm to
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and had Ok State squeaked out a win at Iowa State this fact wouldn't be different, yet Ok State would be ranked #2 today.


It didn't happen
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:05 pm to
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Something to consider, do you all REALLY want to deal with the fallout from Bama and the talking heads if Bama is left out? Do you want there to be doubt as to whether or not the "best team" actually won the title? Let's just play them again...on our turf...and beat their asses, leaving no doubt. Quit the whining. If we're truly the best, we'll win.


Why are you worried about this when we beat them already?
Posted by Mike Linebacker
Texas
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:05 pm to
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Bama: offense: A- defense: A+ special teams: D
okie state: offense: A+ defense: C- special teams: A


You are overrating Bama's offense (a tad, I would say B+) and Oklahoma State's defense (I would say D or D-; they are bad). You are also underrating Bama's special teams. Two of the FGs they missed were very long range. 51 and 52 yards. The first one was 44 yards, which a good kicker makes like 80% of the time. But that was the first quarter. It shouldn't have mattered. Indeed, it pissed me off that people would say that Bama would have won if they had a kicker. Bama's special teams in reality is about a solid B.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63073 posts
Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:06 pm to
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People with reasoning skills and the ability to evaluate talent believe the two best teams are Bama and LSU? That one?



People with reasoning skills don't equate the BCS system to the NFL objective playoff selection procedure.

I think Alabama is a better team than Oklahoma State. I also think that Oklahoma State should play for the championship over Alabama (assuming that LSU is the opponent).

Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63073 posts
Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:07 pm to
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and had Ok State squeaked out a win at Iowa State this fact wouldn't be different, yet Ok State would be ranked #2 today.



Exactly.

And, clearly, that game was an anomoly whereas the Alabama LSU game was not.

Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:07 pm to
Oh, and I gave the cowsissies a C- because of the takeaways
Posted by Captain Want
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:07 pm to
Don't forget the plane crash the morning of the okla at - Iowa st game, likely impacted their performance.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:10 pm to
Did someone ever point out the entire Big 12 plays 9 conference games compared to only the SECCG participants playing 9 conference games.

So the whole idea the Big 12 should be penalized for not having a conference title game is stupid in the case of this year. The SECCG does not include a rematch of two elite conference teams.
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:10 pm to
Bama has a bunch of great returns against them, and a bunch of crappy punts

A D is generous on STs

The C- is highlighted by okie states takeaways
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:10 pm to
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I think Alabama is a better team than Oklahoma State.


Then we agree.
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