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re: Rewatched NC State NCAA Tourney game from a few years ago

Posted on 3/21/20 at 3:00 am to
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
78659 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 3:00 am to
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That NC State team was talented


It really wasn't.

Ralston Turner was its second or third best player.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
65686 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 3:32 am to
That game epitomized Johnny Jones coaching and lack of fundamentals in all of his teams. We couldn’t manufacture good shots late, we couldn’t make free throws and we got absolutely demolished on the offensive glass down the stretch due to poor rebounding technique. When fans talk about rolling the ball out and playing backyard or playground ball Johnny Jones is who comes to mind first and foremost in LSU basketball.


“We did a tremendous job of doing a tremendous job.”

- Johnny Jones
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 3:39 am
Posted by Rosenblatt
Member since Apr 2019
6294 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 5:42 am to
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Good God we have Johnny Jones sympathizers still?


There are a few. A couple posted in this thread.

You’d think missing the postseason with Ben Simmons on your team and following that up with a 2 win league season would shut their asses up.

There’s a reason nobody hired the guy from UNT other than Joe Alleva after 14 years and why he’s at TSU now.

Never had to worry about good old Johnny being plucked away by a blue blood. Wonder why
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
17551 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 9:31 am to
The thing I remember is our former player Ralston Turner missing like 5 wide open threes during that rally or it wouldn't have been close at the end. It wasn't exactly like NC State played all that well we just didn't score.

We kept going to Mickey who had just come off an injury and he missed a lot of free throws.

NC State did beat the No. 1 seed the next game...Villanova I think?
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
41601 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 9:38 am to
I went for second round game that never happened

Then watch my wife's team lose to them
Posted by The Truth 34
Chavez Ravine
Member since May 2010
41567 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:31 am to
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NC State did beat the No. 1 seed the next game...Villanova I think?



yep

should've been us
Posted by lsudave1
Baton Metairie
Member since Jan 2005
11264 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:44 am to
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It really wasn't. Ralston Turner was its second or third best player.


They had a number of ESPN100 players on their roster and the Martin twins who ended up transferring to Nevada and were the reason why Nevada was ranked so highly last year.
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 11:45 am
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
38776 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 3:07 pm to
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yep

should've been us
Yep we would have blasted that Villanova team
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
12046 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:15 am to
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That game epitomized Johnny Jones coaching and lack of fundamentals in all of his teams. We couldn’t manufacture good shots late, we couldn’t make free throws and we got absolutely demolished on the offensive glass down the stretch due to poor rebounding technique


They apparently did a lot of things right to build a lead. Do you think they just suddenly stopped doing those fundamental things or did the shots just inexplicably miss and the NC State shots suddenly fall? This is why the automatic blame the coach is so stupid. Sometimes things like tht happen. They missed the same shots they were making which were open. Coaches will tell you that you cannot control what happens once the shot is released. The winning shot for NCS rolled around and bounced on the rim . If it rolls an inch further it might not drop into the net and we would not be having this commentary.

Posted by rjokerlsu
Big Spring, TX
Member since Apr 2007
7224 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 2:38 am to
That game was frustrating. What a monumental 2nd half collapse by the Tigers.
Posted by Tigerfan7218
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2010
14251 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 3:20 am to
While you are at least partially right... Some of the things not happening in the 2nd half were probably due to fatigue because JJ didn't have any sort of rotations in that game... like none
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
33719 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 6:50 am to
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That game epitomized Johnny Jones coaching and lack of fundamentals in all of his teams. We couldn’t manufacture good shots late,


I thought the Jones era was just a big waste of time, but that loss wasn’t on him. “Couldn’t manufacture good shots?” LSU was getting layups at the rim and blowing them. I’m not sure how you get a better shot than a layup.

Mickey went ICE cold late and couldn’t make anything, Just ONE more basket or 1-2 more FT’s wins that game. I felt bad for Mickey. He’s at the line late and you could tell he had zero confidence. He looked shell shocked.

There is probably a lot you could blame on Jones in his 5 years at LSU. That loss wasn’t one of them
Posted by Tigerfan7218
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2010
14251 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 7:54 am to
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LSU was getting layups at the rim and blowing them.


Because they were probably fatigued... LSU had 15 bench minutes total that game, the starters minutes?

40
38
39
36
32

That is literally insane.

Loss is not 100% on Jones, but his lack of rotation certainly played a part in blowing that game. You miss shots when you're tired
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
33719 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 9:14 am to
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Loss is not 100% on Jones, but his lack of rotation certainly played a part in blowing that game. You miss shots when you're tired


Who in the hell was he supposed to play? Bridgewater? Epps? Odo? Robinson? LSU had gone the entire season with essentially a 6 man rotation. The NC St. game wasn't an anomaly as far as the starters playing huge minutes. They had done that all season. Those final 10 minutes weren't a situation where they were coming up short on jumpers or just letting NC St. score at will. LSU scored FIVE points in the final 10 minutes and it STILL took a last second layup for NC St. to win the game. When you are fatigued it's usually jumpers and defense that falter. Yet LSU continued to defend (NC St. shot 34% in the final 10:00). It's what kept them in the game despite literally not being able to make a FG in the final 10 minutes. And LSU got numerous opportunities at the rim. If you're exhausted THAT'S the shot you want.
Posted by PureMetairie
Metairie
Member since May 2017
1011 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 9:36 am to
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There is probably a lot you could blame on Jones in his 5 years at LSU. That loss wasn’t one of them


Sure you can. We lost 7 conference games that year and if not for a Hornsby buzzer beater, we'd have had a worse seed.

That team shouldn't have lost more than 5 sec games. That is on Jones. Having no rotation is squarely on Jones.
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