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Revolving Door of coaches
Posted on 1/3/21 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 1/3/21 at 10:58 pm
The revolving door of ast coaches at Alabama has worked for Saban. I’ve read on here that people think Saban already has a list of coaches he is considering because he has already ANTICIPATED this.
He also got Lane and Sark on the cheap.
If O is to build sustainability here at LSU we may have to look at keeping coaches for a shorter period. Sell the coaches on “Come coach against Saban, then move on.”
With transfer portal, early opt outs and coaches leaving early things got tricky.
I think going forward it’s going to be harder to sell longevity. Although I am curious how Dabo does it with his staff at Clemson.
It’s also interesting what Michigan is doing w Harbaugh (Dumb if you ask me)
I for one hope we have Raymond brain drain Freeman (if he even comes) then elevate Raymond to DC next year.
He also got Lane and Sark on the cheap.
If O is to build sustainability here at LSU we may have to look at keeping coaches for a shorter period. Sell the coaches on “Come coach against Saban, then move on.”
With transfer portal, early opt outs and coaches leaving early things got tricky.
I think going forward it’s going to be harder to sell longevity. Although I am curious how Dabo does it with his staff at Clemson.
It’s also interesting what Michigan is doing w Harbaugh (Dumb if you ask me)
I for one hope we have Raymond brain drain Freeman (if he even comes) then elevate Raymond to DC next year.
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:05 pm to Roux-Roux
It is not the coaches it is the #1 recruiting classes every year. Why is this so difficult to understand?
Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:06 pm to Roux-Roux
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we may have to look at keeping coaches for a shorter period
That's what we've been doing. It's just for the wrong reasons.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:09 pm to CalTiger53
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It is not the coaches it is the #1 recruiting classes every year. Why is this so difficult to understand?
Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:10 pm to TigerLunatik
Correct. Our coaches have been lack luster.
And the recruits no doubt stack up.
I think coaching is important because even Saban has shifted from his comfort of a 4-3 to a somewhat of a 3-4.
And he was never a spread guy till he got All the USC coaches from Pete’s tree to help him spread it out.
It’s def more recruits though.
And the recruits no doubt stack up.
I think coaching is important because even Saban has shifted from his comfort of a 4-3 to a somewhat of a 3-4.
And he was never a spread guy till he got All the USC coaches from Pete’s tree to help him spread it out.
It’s def more recruits though.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:19 pm to CalTiger53
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It is not the coaches it is the #1 recruiting classes every year. Why is this so difficult to understand?
Would you like to review Georgia’s recruiting classes?
2017: #3
2018: #1
2019: #2
2020: #1
The past 4 years they have better classes than Bama and they couldn’t even win the East.
Recruiting makes you elite. Recruiting + Coaching makes you dominant.
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:20 pm to Roux-Roux
It works because coaches have to follow The Process. Regardless of who they hire, they follow the model and don’t deviate from the plan. There are hiccups but nothing major as we have seen.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:21 pm to CalTiger53
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It is not the coaches it is the #1 recruiting classes every year. Why is this so difficult to understand?
Correct. Also when Bamas D sucks it’s the DCs fault.....when their a brick wall.....It’s Saban D......
Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:48 pm to RBWilliams8
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Recruiting makes you elite. Recruiting + Coaching makes you dominant.
You really need to strike gold at a few key positions, qb being the most obvious.
Recruiting rankings in a vacuum without taking roster management into consideration are a bit misleading.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:50 pm to Dlab2013
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Correct. Also when Bamas D sucks it’s the DCs fault.....when their a brick wall.....It’s Saban D......
Remind me of the last time they sucked...
Posted on 1/4/21 at 1:10 am to Roux-Roux
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I think coaching is important because even Saban has shifted from his comfort of a 4-3 to a somewhat of a 3-4.
He’s been in a 3-4 at Bama since he got there.
Mount Cody?
Posted on 1/4/21 at 1:31 am to RBWilliams8
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Would you like to review Georgia’s recruiting classes?
2017: #3
2018: #1
2019: #2
2020: #1
The past 4 years they have better classes than Bama and they couldn’t even win the East.
Georgia won the East in 2017, 2018, and 2019. The only reason they didn't win it this year was because their QB situation was FUBAR. They finished 4-0 with JT Daniels at QB and will win the East again next year. And they've got a 5* QB coming to take over after Daniels leaves.
They choked twice against Bama in the national title game and again in the SECCG the following year but even with garbage coaching they put it on Bama until choking it away in the 4th quarter in both games because of the raw talent they have.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 2:03 am to JustLivinTheDream
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Georgia won the East in 2017, 2018, and 2019.
And they have zero playoff wins... I only mentioned not winning the east this year because this year caps off one of the best full cycle of recruits Ever, on paper. (Coaching)
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The only reason they didn't win it this year was because their QB situation was FUBAR.
Bama’s hasn’t exactly had great QB’s on all their championship teams. (Coaching) besides, they let a Qb go who is going to be in the NCG (coaching)
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They finished 4-0 with JT Daniels at QB and will win the East again next year.
And that’s as far as that ship sails, imo.
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They choked twice against Bama in the national title game and again in the SECCG the following year but even with garbage coaching they put it on Bama until choking it away in the 4th quarter in both games because of the raw talent they have.
So like Les miles? Who had a decade of elite recruiting yet only one title from a team someone else put together?(Coaching)
Regardless;
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but even with garbage coaching they put it on Bama until choking it away in the 4th quarter in both games
Is that not my point. “We were close 3 times but shitty coaching choked it away”...
so what you’re saying is that it takes more than just recruiting to be great? (Coaching?)This post was edited on 1/4/21 at 2:10 am
Posted on 1/4/21 at 2:05 am to Powerman
I agree. I’m rebutting the statement that
Roster management is coaching. Going out and grabbing the top classes every year won’t get you shite if you don’t know what to do with them.
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It is not the coaches it is the #1 recruiting classes every year. Why is this so difficult to understand?
Roster management is coaching. Going out and grabbing the top classes every year won’t get you shite if you don’t know what to do with them.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 3:01 am to Roux-Roux
Why do all LSU fans feel like they know the Davinci-Code secrets of bama?
They cheat, pay HS recruits in dodge chargers, pay current players in stacks of banded $100 bills, get their players out of felonies, don’t drug test, hire coaches from opponents to milk them for the other team’s secrets and tendencies, practice their players against NFL players, spend the equivalent of Ireland’s GDP on postage for sending Kamara 100 letters every day, spend the GDP of the UK on their shadow staff, have populated the conference offices with loyal fans, the officiating crews live less than 30 minutes away from campus (at least, there are many who do), and have an ego maniac who nearly strokes out if they jump offsides in a game when already winning by 30 points.
Wait, maybe that is bama’s Davinci code...
They cheat, pay HS recruits in dodge chargers, pay current players in stacks of banded $100 bills, get their players out of felonies, don’t drug test, hire coaches from opponents to milk them for the other team’s secrets and tendencies, practice their players against NFL players, spend the equivalent of Ireland’s GDP on postage for sending Kamara 100 letters every day, spend the GDP of the UK on their shadow staff, have populated the conference offices with loyal fans, the officiating crews live less than 30 minutes away from campus (at least, there are many who do), and have an ego maniac who nearly strokes out if they jump offsides in a game when already winning by 30 points.
Wait, maybe that is bama’s Davinci code...
Posted on 1/4/21 at 4:17 am to RBWilliams8
Now somebody is on to something. Good point and post. Without good recruiting you can’t win championships, then at the same time, without great coaching of elite talent, you can’t win championships. How many times do people have to say it? it takes both coaching and good talent to win championships.
This post was edited on 1/4/21 at 4:37 am
Posted on 1/4/21 at 5:57 am to Roux-Roux
As long as coaches are leaving after being great at LSU and then moving on to the next step of the coaching ladder like after 2019 I am ok with this.
Making bad hires that you have to fire after one or two years like 2020 is not good.
Making bad hires that you have to fire after one or two years like 2020 is not good.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 6:13 am to CalTiger53
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It is not the coaches it is the #1 recruiting classes every year. Why is this so difficult to understand?
Agree . Basically building great depth at every position especially at LB and the OL/DL. The places where LSU struggles to get quality Depth .
Posted on 1/4/21 at 6:14 am to Roux-Roux
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I for one hope we have Raymond brain drain Freeman (if he even comes) then elevate Raymond to DC next year.
What makes you think Raymond deserves to the DC at LSU? He never called plays in his life you think o is gonna risk his job by doing that your dumb
Posted on 1/4/21 at 6:26 am to Roux-Roux
Yes but we have to lock into schemes that can be fairly consistent year to year. Saban brings in fresh guys every year but his schemes don’t change much.
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