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re: Revisiting Jay’s #1 Recruiting Class

Posted on 6/6/24 at 7:31 pm to
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 7:31 pm to
Our pitching was good. We couldn’t hit for shite. So no I don’t think shores and Noot make much of a difference

Posted by Curtis Lowe
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 7:48 pm to
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Our pitching was good. We couldn’t hit for shite. So no I don’t think shores and Noot make much of a difference


But sure would have been nice to have one or the other as the Sunday starter during SEC play if they would have been healthy. Those run ruled games on Sunday were a hard pill to swallow.
Posted by burreauxxx
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 8:11 pm to
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Jordan struck out 84 times this past season. Jones had more walks than Jordan, a higher OPS, Slugging %, and more HRs. But hey, let's cherry-pick stats.


He’s also a 1st Round pick in this draft

Thus when assessing recruiting classes, Miss St has a potential 3-4 year starter and high-level producer at one of the most important positions on the field who was a first team All-SEC SS, along with 2 likely R1 picks in the upcoming draft.

Jones and Herring are not R1 guys or nearly the all around contributors in terms of their positions and value to a team.

Yes Shores may be good and so may Noot. Key word is may
Posted by Curtis Lowe
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 9:04 pm to
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He’s also a 1st Round pick in this draft
That is yet to be determined.

As an aside, that number 1 recruiting class you are railing about had 7 kids, committed and signed, that were drafted in the first four rounds of the 2022 draft that never made it to campus. Including 3 in the first round. 2 in the second round and 1 each in the 3rd and 4th rounds. That was a pretty big bite out of the number 1 class. 5 of which were included in the Top 100 HS prospect lists.
This post was edited on 6/7/24 at 12:52 am
Posted by burreauxxx
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 9:50 pm to
So what you are saying is that Jay is like Smoke Laval — No 1 crootin class for show only, with most of the meat always being unrealistic enrollees?

What you are saying is even worse than the fact that Jay’s No 1 class was overrated in terms of the kids that actually did make it to campus
Posted by Scoob
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 9:56 pm to
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So what you are saying is that Jay is like Smoke Laval — No 1 crootin class for show only, with most of the meat always being unrealistic enrollees?

That's always going to be the case, you roll the dice in case someone doesn't go pro.
Posted by Curtis Lowe
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 10:22 pm to
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So what you are saying is that Jay is like Smoke Laval — No 1 crootin class for show only, with most of the meat always being unrealistic enrollees?




No, what I am saying is you are making a dishonest argument against the 2022 class since the cream of the crop of that class had been already skimmed (and highly drafted) and you are comparing elephants to sunflower seeds.

The 2022 draft was brutal for LSU, the 2023 draft took only one player (Blake Mitchell - C in the first round) and a majority of the higher ranked players made it to campus.

The 2022 class was a coaching transition class with most of the players already committed to LSU prior to Johnson's hiring. Mikey Romero a top ranked SS out of California is the only HS signee that I remember following Johnson.

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What you are saying is even worse than the fact that Jay’s No 1 class was overrated in terms of the kids that actually did make it to campus


Not saying that at all either. Once again you are assuming facts in a yet to be determined situation.

In regards to the "Kling is a bust" argument, I will liken it to another LSU player, Kramer Robertson. Kramer was crucified on the message boards for his hitting and fielding for the first couple of years of his LSU career. He was left off of post-season rosters and spent a ton of time on the bench. Then late in his third year he started to blossom and ultimately developed and played himself into a 4th round selection after his 4th season. Kling is still in that "yet to be determined" category.



Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 10:24 pm to
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Kling is still in that "yet to be determined" category.






No hes not it. Had plenty of chances hes just not it.
Posted by TigerBait2008
Boulder,CO
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 10:34 pm to
Oh look it's burreaux the dumbshit..
Posted by burreauxxx
Member since Dec 2019
5249 posts
Posted on 6/7/24 at 7:55 am to
Kling won’t be at LSU next season.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 8:48 am to
There's not an organization in baseball who would not have taken the chance on this young guy. It didn't pan out. It happens every year. Some do, some don't. Few scouts can go into the mind of a young man and determine whether he's really confident about what he can do. So he gets to sign him based on his ability, but then he's gotta be successful to be confident. And once he becomes confident that's when you got something. You make a decision on what you see and things don't pan out, you move on. That's baseball. Many are called, few are chosen.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75273 posts
Posted on 6/7/24 at 8:54 am to
I feel like we’ve been spoiled by the Aaron Nola, Alex Bregman, Dylan Crews, and Tommy White types who come in and dominate immediately.

Kramer Robertson didn’t show us anything at the plate for 2 years then his .324 and .363 in SEC play.

Beloso hit .226 as a Junior.

I dont think we can rely on Kling to make a massive leap, but I dont think it is impossible either.
Posted by coolpapaboze
Parts Unknown
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 9:00 am to
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I feel like
More feelings from SammyTiger.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75273 posts
Posted on 6/7/24 at 9:03 am to
who the frick are you?
Posted by coolpapaboze
Parts Unknown
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18241 posts
Posted on 6/7/24 at 10:07 am to
Someone who doesn't care about your feelings.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75273 posts
Posted on 6/7/24 at 10:13 am to
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Someone who doesn't care about your feelings.


clearly you do.
Posted by iamandykeim
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2015
3016 posts
Posted on 6/7/24 at 10:22 am to
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Guidry has a role.
at this point you're just a grumpy little man
Posted by burreauxxx
Member since Dec 2019
5249 posts
Posted on 6/7/24 at 10:59 am to
When you the watch Kilng’s swing and his approach at the plate, does it look to you like he’s been developed or coached up?

Or does it look to you like he’s doing what he wants to do and the coach is allowing it with the hopes he will just get by on his talent or figure it out himself?

If anything, I would say the latter is sure how it appears.

He is very flawed in his hitting approach and looks completely lost much of the time. Quite simply, he’s an easy out for a competent pitcher. He’s opening and clearing his hips early with the intent to swing hard and pull everything. May have worked in high school in Pennsylvania but I’m shocked Jay hasn’t shown him the tape and how foolish he looks up there, and then taken time to fix it in 2 years. Makes me wonder if he’s handling these 5-star kids with kid gloves too much.

I can live with a lack of production from a highly rated player that is doing everything right but was just simply overrated in his ability. But to watch such a highly rated kid as Kling completely lost in his swing and approach is baffling. A lot of that is on Jay imo.
Posted by burreauxxx
Member since Dec 2019
5249 posts
Posted on 6/7/24 at 11:01 am to
He literally threw 24.1 innings all season
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
18995 posts
Posted on 6/7/24 at 11:26 am to
I see you keep referring to where these guys are projected to get drafted in the MLB draft. As LSU baseball fans, why do we care where they will be drafted? The results on the field matter more than anything.

Since this recruiting class LSU finished 3rd in the SEC in 2023 and won the NC; then finished tied for 8th in the SEC in 2024 and made it to the final game in their regional.

MSU finished 13th in the SEC in 2023 and missed the tournament; then finished tied for 6th in the SEC in 2024 and made it to game 6 in their regional

I suppose I 'll take the weaker class and better results.
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