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re: Reflections from the 1st weekend of SEC ball
Posted on 3/20/23 at 1:24 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 3/20/23 at 1:24 pm to Lester Earl
I've watched every single pitch this season- that's a great analysis LE.
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Posted on 3/20/23 at 1:26 pm to Lester Earl
Yep I would have definitely went to Ack or Herring instead of Cooper in the 5th. After Coop was able to get that DP ball to get out of that jam. No doubt. Hindsight 20/20.
And also… where is Helmers?? Starting tomorrow?
And also… where is Helmers?? Starting tomorrow?
Posted on 3/20/23 at 1:27 pm to Lester Earl
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- All that said, I think LSU has a deep enough staff to have a really good year on the mound. I just do not think they are in the right spots yet, and they are still feeling that out. I think Jay really needs to streamline Gavin Guidry on the mound to see what he has. He has shown enough flashes to where I think he could be something for you. Yes, the mercy rule games have not helped develop the bullpen, but he should still have more than 1.1 IP this year.
I would like to see him throw in the midweek this week. Along with Bucknam, Herring, Hellmers, Moffett (if healthy), Dutton, and Collins. We should be able to stitch together all the innings we need against UCA, while not overthrowing any of the guys that could help on the weekend like Guidry or Herring.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 1:27 pm to Lester Earl
Spot on 
Posted on 3/20/23 at 1:30 pm to Lester Earl
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Floyd’s average outing in 13 starts the last two seasons is : 4.1 IP
Floyd turned into an entirely different pitcher at the end of last season when he developed secondary pitches. I don't think that's a fair stat to pump.
Look at me knighting for Floyd after being super critical of him for his first 1.5 seasons.
You also have to keep in mind just about every pitcher for both teams struggled with the umpires zones this weekend except for Skenes. Let's give them another week in the same roles and not overreact just yet. I do think Hurd would be better suited as a
closer than Floyd though. Maybe that would allow Little a shot at starting Saturdays
Posted on 3/20/23 at 1:31 pm to Lester Earl
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Floyd’s average outing in 13 starts the last two seasons is : 4.1 IP
He isn’t lasting long either
Floyd went 5.2 and 5.0 already this year, and went 5.0+ 7 times last year. Extend that to 4+ innings and it's 9 times last year. It's well known Floyd can last, he simply didnt this past weekend. Only 2 of his 10 starts were under 4.0 IP last year.
Shores hasnt gone past 3.2 IP yet, and a lot of that probably has to do with not having an out pitch yet as well as walking more guys than Floyd has too.
Shores will probably come around but I think going with Floyd still makes more sense right now and have Shores continue to develop. He's hit a wall a few times this year, and yeah they've given him a shorter hook but I trust they know what they're seeing there.
This post was edited on 3/20/23 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 3/20/23 at 1:31 pm to Solo Cam
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I've watched every single pitch this season- that's a great analysis LE.
Pretty sure D1 Baseball missed a pitch over a commercial break
Posted on 3/20/23 at 1:43 pm to Yeti_Chaser
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Floyd turned into an entirely different pitcher at the end of last season when he developed secondary pitches. I don't think that's a fair stat to pump.
Meh, he's only had a few really clean starts. Generally they are blemished by walks and high pitch counts.
If you just want to focus on this year,
2023
Out of Bullpen
6IP
1.5 BB per 9
13.5 K per 9
As Starter:
14IP
3.8 BB per 9 (5.7 if you count HBP)
9.6 K per 9
Posted on 3/20/23 at 1:43 pm to Adam4848
Where do you see Money’s role being? Interesting someone who started the 2nd most games last year (as underwhelming as it was) isn't talked about more. Could he be your midweek starter?
Posted on 3/20/23 at 1:48 pm to Lester Earl
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Meh, he's only had a few really clean starts. Generally they are blemished by walks and high pitch counts.
Floyd doesnt have high walk count + HB really at all.
24 in nearly 60 innings last year
10 in 20 innings this year
Shores has 11 walks/HB in 14 innings this year, not any better. So if you're going to say Floyd has high walk numbers then Shores is astronomically worse
This post was edited on 3/20/23 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 3/20/23 at 1:51 pm to Lester Earl
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All that said, I think LSU has a deep enough staff to have a really good year on the mound. I just do not think they are in the right spots yet, and they are still feeling that out.
Agree with this.
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I think Jay mismanaged the game a little there at the end. Little coming in when he did did him no favors. And it made for a strenuous appearance for him.
and this...
Good write up sir!
Posted on 3/20/23 at 1:52 pm to Northerner13
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Where do you see Money’s role being? Interesting someone who started the 2nd most games last year (as underwhelming as it was) isn't talked about more. Could he be your midweek starter?
He's an inning eater. Not someone to be used in high leverage situations but still can get people out in the SEC.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:01 pm to Lester Earl
excellent analysis... I believe Herring will start to make his mark after tommorrows start...It may take a few more weeks, but I believe Herring will overtake Floyd in the Weekend rotation... Johnson wants strike throwers.. youre right Shores does nibble too much..and that could keep him out of the weekend rotation this year. enough to where Herring barely beats him out... Herring is the real deal.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:02 pm to thunderbird1100
Floyd for his career is 3.8 BB per 9. Thst isn’t outrageous but it’s on the high side
This year as a starter he has 9 BB + HBP in just 14 innings.
He has never given up a ton of hits so he limits damage, but it has always caused him to throw a lot of pitches.
And my argument isn’t that Shores is better; it’s that there isn’t much drop off and Floyd as a reliever makes the team better
This year as a starter he has 9 BB + HBP in just 14 innings.
He has never given up a ton of hits so he limits damage, but it has always caused him to throw a lot of pitches.
And my argument isn’t that Shores is better; it’s that there isn’t much drop off and Floyd as a reliever makes the team better
Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:06 pm to Lester Earl
I agree with much of what you say, but writing Cooper off as Johnson’s pet ignores both what he brought to the table last year and the lack of other pitchers stepping up to demand more work this season. They can’t just rely on a couple of guys and wear them out or there will be a repeat of last season’s collapse.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:13 pm to MikeTheTiger71
I’m not discounting Cooper. And last year doesn’t really matter, as the talent on this staff is much improved.
He was put into a bad spot yesterday, came in to face 3 LH and then they subbed the last two. It was too early to play matchup, and A&M being desperate, called the bluff and it paid off. He shouldn’t have been in that spot anyway but it is where the game was lost
He was put into a bad spot yesterday, came in to face 3 LH and then they subbed the last two. It was too early to play matchup, and A&M being desperate, called the bluff and it paid off. He shouldn’t have been in that spot anyway but it is where the game was lost
Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:19 pm to Lester Earl
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Floyd for his career is 3.8 BB per 9. Thst isn’t outrageous but it’s on the high side
This year as a starter he has 9 BB + HBP in just 14 innings.
But Shores has 11 in 14 innings this year, so it's notably worse if we're going to say Floyd has an issue with giving free passes because Shores needs a lot more work there himself. Just saying.
Anyone and everyone is better as a reliver since you simply arent being asked to extend like a starter. In the end though Floyd has shown a bunch of time he can extend and give you 5-6 innings and thats probably why he's still on the weekend right now and Shores is still working through things.
Floyd can strike guys out more often and has more control than Shores as it stands for now. Shores just needs to continue to work and get an out pitch figured out. That alone will probably help out his high walk/HB to inning ratio.
When you throw in WHIP between the 2 it really looks even more different (including HBP here)
Shores - 1.61 WHIP
Floyd - 0.95 WHIP this season and a 1.12 WHIP last season
This post was edited on 3/20/23 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:20 pm to Lester Earl
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- Paxton Kling, woof. 1-15 w/ 8k's. Did not see that coming. He has made steady contact ever since being re-inserted. They really worked him by mixing eye levels. I was starting to get the illusion that he was super-advanced, but this weekend was back to drawing board with plate discipline. He needs to be moved down into a spot with less pressure.
I think he took too many pitches early in the count this weekend. It's one thing to trust yourself in 2 strike counts against mediocre non-conference competition but it's tough to consistently get down in the count against SEC pitchers with real out pitches.
Just an adjustment he will have to make- nothing too concerning for me imo
Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:28 pm to DallasTiger45
Yeah Kling has just been through a roller coaster of a start.
First 9 games - 2 for 15 (.133), 2 walks, 4 HBP
Next 7 games - 15 for 23 (.652), 2 walks, 1 HBP
Last 4 games - 1 for 17 (.059), 2 walks
That's pretty nuts
First 9 games - 2 for 15 (.133), 2 walks, 4 HBP
Next 7 games - 15 for 23 (.652), 2 walks, 1 HBP
Last 4 games - 1 for 17 (.059), 2 walks
That's pretty nuts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:31 pm to Yeti_Chaser
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I'll bet he will be better at home next weekend.
hard to do much worse
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