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re: Reed would make a difference
Posted on 1/15/25 at 2:34 pm to supersaints9
Posted on 1/15/25 at 2:34 pm to supersaints9
Need to pick up two more like Reed and Ward before we can be competitive in the SEC. The conference has Never been this good this deep. Many of Dale's greatest teams might not have made the field of 64 against this level of competition.
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Posted on 1/15/25 at 2:41 pm to Woodman
Many of Dale's greatest teams........
Contrary to popular belief Dale Brown only had a few "good teams".
He had one great teams.
1978-79 was a really good team.
1979-80 was a really good team.
1980-81 was a great team.
The rest of his career he underachieved and the powers at be at LSU kept him around way too long.
Dale had a 543 winning percentage in the SEC (238-200).
His last 4 years at LSU were down right horrid.
11-16 overall
12-15 overall
12-17 overall
1-020 overall.
The notion that he had all these great teams is a straight up myth.
Contrary to popular belief Dale Brown only had a few "good teams".
He had one great teams.
1978-79 was a really good team.
1979-80 was a really good team.
1980-81 was a great team.
The rest of his career he underachieved and the powers at be at LSU kept him around way too long.
Dale had a 543 winning percentage in the SEC (238-200).
His last 4 years at LSU were down right horrid.
11-16 overall
12-15 overall
12-17 overall
1-020 overall.
The notion that he had all these great teams is a straight up myth.
This post was edited on 1/15/25 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 1/15/25 at 3:11 pm to basiletiger
The SEC is the best conference easily this year but the hype is a little overblown. The rest of the country is dogshit and the SEC has some quality teams but nobody near the level of a UConn the last couple seasons or a Baylor from 2020.
Posted on 1/15/25 at 3:46 pm to mcspufftiger7
IMO what is going on is Coach MM tried to build a team that could fight and compete in the SEC but has a lot of 4/5 year players to build on. Then Reed and Ward are gone and the present team can’t really compete in the sec.
This post was edited on 1/15/25 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 1/15/25 at 3:48 pm to mcspufftiger7
IDK how fans act like we didn't lose tyrell ward and Reed (our literal 2 best players) and think it won't effect the outcome of the season.
Posted on 1/15/25 at 3:54 pm to basiletiger
quote:So you would have fired Dale, when? 1985?
1978-79 was a really good team.
1979-80 was a really good team.
1980-81 was a great team.
The rest of his career he underachieved and the powers at be at LSU kept him around way too long.
Posted on 1/15/25 at 3:58 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
quote:
IMO what is going on is Coach MM tried to build a team that could fight and compete in the SEC but has a lot of 4/5 year players to build on. Then Reed and Ward are gone and the present team can’t really compete in the sec.
Yeah, when you’re building a team and the two keystones to your foundation are no longer there, things will tend to be a little shaky. Not an excuse, just reality.
Posted on 1/15/25 at 4:18 pm to 1984Tiger
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Not an excuse, just reality.
A literal fricking fact. Most fans on here don't know that because they are basketball super casuals. Louisiana has no basketball IQ compared to most states.
Posted on 1/15/25 at 4:20 pm to LSU1SLU
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IDK how fans act like we didn't lose tyrell ward and Reed (our literal 2 best players) and think it won't effect the outcome of the season.
I personally don't feel that way, I just think we could have been playing better with the players we have still.
Both can be true, you can be affected by a personnel loss and still not be playing up to your capabilities. I think that's where we are. We played better last night but the offense the first 3/4 of the game was still hard to watch and could still be better with the players we do have IMHO.
Posted on 1/15/25 at 4:56 pm to LSU1SLU
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A literal fricking fact. Most fans on here don't know that because they are basketball super casuals. Louisiana has no basketball IQ compared to most states.
It's not "literally" a fact. At best it's subjective that Reed was one of LSU's best players and I think you could make the argument he wasn't. What he was was "literally" the most inconsistent player on the team. Even this year. He could have a great game, great moments, only to immediately follow it up by disappearing. While Reed was a key piece to the team, Carter has been the best player this year from the start until now.
Would LSU like to still have Reed? Absolutely. Would it have made a massive difference in the success of the team? That might be a bridge too far because there was NOTHING in 70 games prior games to suggest Reed was going to be a consistent player this year.
The constant excuses are tiresome. From the moment Reed went down I immediately said "well, there is the excuse needed to justify another year of this if it turns out to be a bad season." Nevermind the fact the predictive metrics already had LSU as one of the bottom 3-4 teams in the league BEFORE Reed went out. His loss is not insignificant. Yet, it's not the massive loss some appear to want to make it out to be.
It's not like LSU lost a guy who was playing at the caliber of Johni Broome...who (was) the likely SEC POY. By the way, someone should have told Pearl his team was supposed to completely collapse last night while they were in the process hammering the #15 team in the country...without Broome.
But that's not fair! It's an apples to oranges comparison. Auburn is 10x more talented than LSU. Unlike LSU, their roster is loaded with 5 star HS recruits and major conf. transfers Or are they?
Auburn
Broome - transfer from Morehead St
Baker-Mazara - transfer from Northwest Florida St (JUCO)
Pettiford - Freshman 4* recruit
Jones - transfer from FIU
Johnson - transfer from Alabama-Huntsville (D-2)
Kelly - transfer from Georgia Tech
Cardwell - Senior former 3 star HS recruit
Moore - Senior former 4 star recruit
That's the primary rotation for the #1 team in the nation (now without their actual best player)
LSU:
Carter - transfer from Kansas St
Bailey - grad student transfer from Richmond
Sears - 5th year senior transfer from Tenn-Martin
Collins - transfer from Kentucky (HS All American)
Chest - former 4 star recruit
V. Miller - 4 star recruit
R. Miller - 4 star recruit
Givens - 4 star recruit
Fountain - 5th year senior transfer from Miss. St
Williams - 4 star recruit.
McMahon would under-perform with or without Reed.
Posted on 1/15/25 at 5:05 pm to mcspufftiger7
quote:I wish people would stop using this colloquialism.
Say you don't know ... without saying you don't know ...
Posted on 1/15/25 at 5:28 pm to Alt26
That's a lot of words based on the idea that Auburn is just as good without Broome. I have news for you. They played 1 home game without him. I will guarantee that they aren't a top 15, maybe not even a top 20 team if they lost him for the season a month ago.
Now is Reed as big of a loss? Of course not. But Reed wasn't a possible POY and LSU wasn't the number 1 team in the country to start with.
Now is Reed as big of a loss? Of course not. But Reed wasn't a possible POY and LSU wasn't the number 1 team in the country to start with.
Posted on 1/15/25 at 5:37 pm to mmcgrath
Collins numbers since taking over for Reed are just about the same vs better competition so not nearly the loss you guys pretend it is.
This post was edited on 1/15/25 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 1/15/25 at 6:06 pm to Madking
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Collins numbers since taking over for Reed are just about the same vs better competition so not nearly the loss you guys pretend it is.
Teams need 2 decent front court players, unless 1 is all SEC.
Posted on 1/15/25 at 6:45 pm to Lapaz
Collins played over 22 minutes once before Reed got hurt. McMahon is one of the worst coaches I've ever seen using his bench so normally I’d agree with you but during this coach’s tenure whether you have 1 or 4 productive front line players it doesn’t matter. What he should’ve done from the start was play Reed and Collins together but instead he started Miller who’s about as productive as me.
This post was edited on 1/15/25 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 1/15/25 at 7:41 pm to mcspufftiger7
Is this the best the SEC has ever been, from top to bottom ? It's a slaughterhouse if a conference.
Posted on 1/15/25 at 7:47 pm to mcspufftiger7
Collins is the key player to me.
If he can be consistent they will have a chance in some of these games. Without him it will be tough to win.
If he can be consistent they will have a chance in some of these games. Without him it will be tough to win.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 12:56 am to Alt26
I love how you ignore and don’t talk about ward for a second. Losing 2/5 of your players is huge. Use your fkn brain. Reed was as consistent this year as they come. Same last year. You know what you get. Every game.
Posted on 1/16/25 at 6:56 am to LSU1SLU
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I love how you ignore and don’t talk about ward for a second. Losing 2/5 of your players is huge.
From all reports Ward was losing PT to some of the newbies, namely V. Miller and that more than anything was the reason for his discontent and subsequent absence from the team.
If true, and I've heard this from a source with some connections to the team, he may have gotten the Mike Williams treatment and he may not have taken it quite as well as Mike has?
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