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Recruiting pitch for all you “we haven’t gotten enough portal” people ….

Posted on 1/24/24 at 6:01 am
Posted by aaronlah
Youngsville LA
Member since May 2019
5 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 6:01 am
We are looking to develop athletes and have developed some great ones. The teams getting lots in the portal are not developing their players well enough so they need other players that other teams have developed already.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42764 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 6:08 am to
It goes both ways
LSU still has some holes on the roster
Ideally you want your best players to still be high school recruits and players you develop
The problem with portal is most of the time there is a reason players hit portal and the makeup of portal can burn you
Posted by Geauxldilocks
Member since Aug 2018
2448 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 6:20 am to
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“we haven’t gotten enough portal” people ….


Why have we pursued some of the recent Bama portal entries then and missed? You think we don't need 2 more DTs and a CB with experience?
Posted by Asleepinthecove
Member since Jan 2023
936 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 6:36 am to
5 of the last 7 Heisman winners were portal transfers. Every team should reach into the portal each year and pick up 3-5 players that could potentially help your team. Each team will likely lose, on average, 5 players to the portal, so all you’re doing is replacing what you’ve lost.
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
4967 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:02 am to
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5 of the last 7 Heisman winners were portal transfers.


QBs are an obvious exception & don’t represent the success/failure of the portal.

Tell me how many portal DBs have gone in the 1st round
Posted by ipodking
#StopTalkingAboutWomensSports
Member since Jun 2008
56303 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:16 am to
quote:

We are looking to develop athletes and have developed some great ones. The teams getting lots in the portal are not developing their players well enough so they need other players that other teams have developed already


I’ll bump this post when Ole Miss comes into Tiger Stadium and their transfer portal Qb throws the ball over the heads of all the secondary players the staff is “developing”
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 7:19 am
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30377 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:20 am to
It’s a two way street.


True, you need to develop from recruiting HS seniors.

True, you need to keep them.

But some will leave. We have over 20 defensive backs. Some will not be happy that they are behind the others. They will transfer out. Maybe to ULL, but maybe to Alabama or ole miss.

Those 20 or so DBs take up room on the 85.

The shallow five or so DTs need to be backed up by two or three more.

You cannot rob Peter to pay Paul on an 85 limit.

Roster management also has PAR LEVELS for each position. When you are heavy on one position, it takes away from the other.

Back to DTs.
Add two or three.
Go for the best…..even if they start over your guys you recruited years ago. You want to win today vs mortgaging your future so “your” guy can one day start.

You win today. Go for the best players in the portal.


I still have faith that Kelly knows what he’s doing on the DT front.
Posted by pbro62
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2016
11382 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:29 am to
Ok genius
Posted by Blutarsky
112th Congress
Member since Jan 2004
9674 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:30 am to
Burrow was a grad transfer.
Posted by Kayakndan74
NE AL
Member since Nov 2021
376 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:32 am to
I think Kelly wants to see what they have on the roster and what the new staff can develop through spring before throwing stupid money at every shiny object on the portal board. There'll be plenty of guys who leave schools bc they don't mesh with new staffs or just want to perhaps come home for whatever reason. I think BK is just being smart with the bag money and letting everyone else toss cash at guys who may have talent but also have bad attitudes to match. He has said repeatedly he wants to develop from within the state, and the lack of his throwing other people's money at every star rating on a list is just proof of concept. Would I have liked to have seen Ricks or Amos come into the team? Of course, if they aligned! However, I also see the validity of what he hopes to build over the next few years and if they interviewed these guys and all they did was hold out a gimme-palm, it's best for the guys currently on roster to realize their coaches believe in their talent, perseverance and work ethic over just whoever they can pay to be there.
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 4:13 pm
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30377 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:33 am to
And by par levels I mean this:


An ideal roster looks even at each position.

You’ll see that you need more qb and Rb than each Wr position.


Qb 4 or 5
Rb 4 or 5

X 3
Y 3
Z 4

Te 4 or 5
OT 4
Og 3
C 3
Og 3
Ot 3
——offense 38

De 4
Ng 4
Dt 4

Jack 4
MLB 3
Will 3

Cb/nickel 5
Cb 3
Fs 4
Ss 3.

——37 defense

Special teams?
3 for a DS, K, P


That’s 78,

You’ve got room to add 7 more where you want.

And the par level list is all wrong but just an example.
I don’t even know what the defense is going to look like.
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
1126 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:39 am to
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I’ll bump this post when Ole Miss comes into Tiger Stadium and their transfer portal Qb throws the ball over the heads of all the secondary players the staff is “developing"


And of course, you will bump it and admit you were wrong when that doesn't happen right? Yeah, I won't hold my breath when you don't own up and start making excuses for your poor judgment.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
30404 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:43 am to
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Tell me how many portal DBs have gone in the 1st round

I looked back to 2017 and this is what I found.

Mike Hughes @30 in 2018

Johnathan Abram @27 in 2019

Christian Gonzalez @17 in 2023
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21091 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:48 am to
quote:

We are looking to develop athletes and have developed some great ones. The teams getting lots in the portal are not developing their players well enough so they need other players that other teams have developed already


All you are really doing is trying to justify why LSU has lost out in the portal some.

Ideally, yes you want to recruit great out of high school, and build and develop your roster that way. We know this is BKs ultimate goal as well.

However, the fact of the matter is, the portal will almost always be a key piece now. With a free for all with transfers, we are going to lose at a minimum, key depth every year. We will have to fill that depth through the portal sometimes. That's just the way it is. Adapt or get your arse kicked.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21091 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:50 am to
quote:


I’ll bump this post when Ole Miss comes into Tiger Stadium and their transfer portal Qb throws the ball over the heads of all the secondary players the staff is “developing


Well our transfer QB just dominated college football and won a Heisman. So maybe it's not as bad as some of the sky screamers think.
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
4967 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 8:13 am to
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Well our transfer QB just dominated college football and won a Heisman. So maybe it's not as bad as some of the sky screamers think.


Quit using QB as the only example of portal success
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
7892 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 8:18 am to
Hey man have you looked at how many defensive tackles we have on our roster lately? And can you tell tell me which of those guys we have developed so well?
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
4967 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 8:22 am to
3 in the last 7 years is not good.

We’ve been hit or miss on DBs in the portal as well, so I think I’ll stick with developing our HS signees unless we really need added depth.
Posted by logansrun
Amite
Member since Dec 2015
1804 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 8:29 am to
I'm assuming BK is paying to keep this roster fed and happy. Retention. But he knows he's got to find at least some help at DT. I'm sure they'll have packages with Savion and Shand moving inside and rumors are there's already a grad transfer ready to move in after the spring. I'm hoping good coaching will greatly improve our DB play. Kelly knows what he has at the back end. BK has a plan in place. Be patient.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
7892 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 8:43 am to
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I'm assuming BK is paying to keep this roster fed and happy. Retention. But he knows he's got to find at least some help at DT.

Uh well yeah, of course he knows. It's the biggest hole on the roster.
quote:

I'm sure they'll have packages with Savion and Shand moving inside

Are you sure about that? And even if you are, you are acting like it's a good thing having to move two defensive ends to play inside. It's not.
quote:

Kelly knows what he has at the back end. BK has a plan in place. Be patient.

I hate when people just say "BK has a plan" as if that is a reason that no fans should have a worry about anything.
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