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re: Really think about Les Miles. And how amazing LSU won despite him.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 8:49 am to High Life
Posted on 6/20/24 at 8:49 am to High Life
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Also, why so much spacing in your post?
To match the space between his ears. Yeah, he made up that stuff about talking to recruits. I’ve never discussed this with the football players, but one of my relatives has a ring from 2009 LSU baseball, and he knew a lot of the football players well, some as teammates.
He told me that the players always got a laugh about Miles’ TV personality, because it was very different from what he was like in person. In short, it was a bit of an act according to him.
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Posted on 6/20/24 at 9:47 am to Covingtontiger77
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He really really was a poor poor coach. Yet despite him at the helm the talent won him a NC.
I love this argument. Was Les a brilliant game-day tactician? No. But name a single coach who won a national championship with average talent?
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I have spoke to a quite a few of his former players and I ask them all the time about their recruitment by him. They say he spoke and was exactly as he put forth in the media- aloof and disconnected. I follow up and ask, “yet, you still chose to play for him?” Most answer, “I wanted to be a Tiger.”
No need to make up lies to support your stupid off-season post. Unless you want to name names, we can all assume that you talked with a walk on or two.
Yes, plenty of players under Les were Louisiana guys who wanted to play here. But he also won a lot of recruiting battles against guys like Saban, Meyer, Richt, and Mack Brown.
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The guy was a product of nothing more than the LA home talent wanting to stay home despite the person at the helm being a bumbling idiot.
Another stupid take. No one disputes LSU’s massive in-state talent advantage. But if it’s as easy as rolling out of bed in an LSU polo, why was lsu such a shite show for decades before Saban?
Why did Ed Orgeron go 10-11 after a national championship? Why hasn’t Brian Kelly won more, despite the in state advantage and being a significantly better game-day coach?
shite. I don’t even like Les, but his record is as good or better (win percentage, SEC record, top 25 wins, conference titles and a national championship) than every single one of his peers except Nick Saban and Urban Meyer.
He took over a great situation, yes. But he parlayed that into the greatest three year run in the program’s modern history: 34-6 (19-5 SEC), two division titles, a conference title, a sugar bowl win, and a national title from 2005-2007.
I love how people argue he should have won more during that stretch—basically holding it against him that he didn’t have the greatest three-year run in college football history.
And then after all of Saban’s players left, Les went 53-13 from 2009-2013, won the SEC and played for another championship.
Oh, and on his way out he left the foundation of LSU’s 2018-2019 coaching staff.
Blast him all you want for being a bad coach for clock management, and for not keeping up with the times. But any argument that Les was just some drooling idiot who stumbled upon one of the best 10-year runs in the sport’s history is just wrong.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 9:51 am
Posted on 6/20/24 at 9:49 am to 904
quote:it’s sad that that UT game is the first game I always think of when recalling his tenure
microcosm of Les' first 6 years or so at LSU
Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:30 am to SaintLSU
quote:Mett just sighed.
Les dumb arse would have went with the qbs on the roster
Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:32 am to Covingtontiger77
Les' greatest strength was that he could recruit. If his old school toughness could have pivoted offensively like Saban, he'd likely still be at LSU.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:34 am to Covingtontiger77
Absolute master of the pitch dive offense.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:36 am to Covingtontiger77
I wonder how Les would have done without Saban at Alabama
Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:41 am to LSUminati
quote:we’d probably still be waiting for a championship
LSU had hired a BK level of coach in '05
Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:52 am to nicholastiger
This is exactly how I think of Les’s tenure. Saban used a similar formula. Recruit top athletes and win with running the ball , great defense and out talenting the other team. It used to work.
Running more keeps the other offense off the field and eventually wears the other team down. Also cuts down on turnovers.
The superior defense kept the other team’s scoring below average.
The difference (not the only one of course) in the 2 is that one adapted to the new, offensive minded college landscape and one didn’t.
Running more keeps the other offense off the field and eventually wears the other team down. Also cuts down on turnovers.
The superior defense kept the other team’s scoring below average.
The difference (not the only one of course) in the 2 is that one adapted to the new, offensive minded college landscape and one didn’t.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:55 am to Clearlake
I never said anything about his win/loss record.
I’m just letting the other poster know when his offenses started going into dinosaur mode.
I’m just letting the other poster know when his offenses started going into dinosaur mode.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 11:04 am to tgdk11
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Les miles 2011 team, might have been best pure football team, hat for hat, lsu ever had.. until 2019. And orgeron put that team together. 2 guys that are called buffoons.
It’s kinda funny how I few Ed and Les similar plot lines despite their differences.
Les was the midwestern funny talking moron we welcomed with open arms for his riverboat gambling … he dominated with local talent, his downfall is refusal to adapt outside that and always hired just his friends.
Ed was the one all rallied around he’s one of us. However though he fell on his sword once he couldn’t keep the great talent home and his coordinates left him.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:05 pm to Covingtontiger77
Totally disagree. I think he was a great coach and did a lot of great things for LSU. Was he a great game manager or play caller? No, but if you can average 10 wins a season over a good period of time in the toughest conference and division, you have to be a solid coach. Look at the QBs he had to win with and that in itself is very impressive!
Unless you've coached a lot, you don't understand how difficult it is to win, much less win over a long period of time. Miles made two huge mistakes: he followed a legend and stayed too long. All coaches know they are hired to be fired and that's just the reality of the game.
It's easy to throw stones at someone when they're no longer there, but the numbers don't lie. Name another coach - not named Saban - that averaged 10 wins a years over their time in the SEC, particularly in the SEC West.
Unless you've coached a lot, you don't understand how difficult it is to win, much less win over a long period of time. Miles made two huge mistakes: he followed a legend and stayed too long. All coaches know they are hired to be fired and that's just the reality of the game.
It's easy to throw stones at someone when they're no longer there, but the numbers don't lie. Name another coach - not named Saban - that averaged 10 wins a years over their time in the SEC, particularly in the SEC West.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:57 pm to Covingtontiger77
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:14 pm to High Life
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No one actually believes this
wrong
many stay in state no matter who the coach is
Posted on 6/20/24 at 6:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Idiots are easy to easy to spot they are the up voters here !
Posted on 6/20/24 at 7:26 pm to OzChuffnugg
what realy got the ball rolling for LSU were the spat of northern coaches who started recruiting new orleans !
Posted on 6/20/24 at 7:30 pm to Fat Bastard
I love Coach miles I hate his old age women problems !
Posted on 6/20/24 at 9:15 pm to nicholastiger
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His refusal to adapt to the modern college game was what frustrated fans more then anything
I agree that most fans were frustrated. But not by stubbornness alone…. I feel like he was genuinely not smart. This coupled with the stubbornness is what drove me nuts.
He was fortunate to have the worst AD in history as his boss.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 9:40 pm to Covingtontiger77
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He really really was a poor poor coach
You don’t win as much as he did in the SEC by being a poor coach. I certainly had my issues with him but his early years here he was going to toe to toe with Saban and Meyer every year and was more than holding his own.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 9:56 pm to logjamming
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I love how people argue he should have won more during that stretch—basically holding it against him that he didn’t have the greatest three-year run in college football history.
who is arguin that was his best 3 year stretch? the stretch where hje had some saban players. hmmnnnnn
look the clown had natty talent on 05, 06, 07, 2010, 2011, 2012 2016 teams
he backed into 1 natty. he actually shoulda won more than he did. go back and watch the games he lost over dumbass coaching
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