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re: Reality of the running game under Kelly and Davis
Posted on 9/14/25 at 12:55 pm to SloaneRanger
Posted on 9/14/25 at 12:55 pm to SloaneRanger
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Guice
Guice was not a big power back. He was actually very similar to Durham- Balanced, but more burst and speed than power. He had enough to break tackles, but he wasn’t close to the same style of back as LF or Hill.
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Posted on 9/14/25 at 12:57 pm to LSUTIGAHS123
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I saw holes and gaps… backs didn’t have vision to run to the gaps.
Which is strange, because that’s what set Durham apart last year. He was able to find small creases on zone plays and hit them quickly.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 1:05 pm to misey94
There is no logical rhythm to Sloan’s play calling outside of it is predictable as hell.
He is running a counter out of the shotgun, which is stupid as a base running call. It’s something to throw in as a wrinkle. Instead, it has the running back waiting to move and giving the defense a chance to get in on him before he is even moving.
Durham has to make the first guy miss or the play is dead from the get go. Even if he shifts, our TEs suck at blocking and that is a major issue.
The reality is that your OC is not calling plays to match your team’s skillsets. He is calling an offense that works against their skills.
He is predictable. Period.
He fell in love with the WR bubble screen into Trips after the Clemson game and teams now just jam it up knowing it’s coming. We saw that yesterday.
Also, run on 1st down and the pass second and third. If you pass on first and blow the play, it’s a guaranteed run on 2nd and 10 nine out of ten times.
When you are predictable and this happened under Miles, you make it easier for the opponent’s defense.
That is what Sloan gets you. He thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room and his probably the dumbest. Even worse, he’s failing massively as a recruiter.
He is running a counter out of the shotgun, which is stupid as a base running call. It’s something to throw in as a wrinkle. Instead, it has the running back waiting to move and giving the defense a chance to get in on him before he is even moving.
Durham has to make the first guy miss or the play is dead from the get go. Even if he shifts, our TEs suck at blocking and that is a major issue.
The reality is that your OC is not calling plays to match your team’s skillsets. He is calling an offense that works against their skills.
He is predictable. Period.
He fell in love with the WR bubble screen into Trips after the Clemson game and teams now just jam it up knowing it’s coming. We saw that yesterday.
Also, run on 1st down and the pass second and third. If you pass on first and blow the play, it’s a guaranteed run on 2nd and 10 nine out of ten times.
When you are predictable and this happened under Miles, you make it easier for the opponent’s defense.
That is what Sloan gets you. He thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room and his probably the dumbest. Even worse, he’s failing massively as a recruiter.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 1:11 pm to misey94
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Maybe this is a too many cooks in the kitchen situation.
This explanation has been brought up by other posters. Some have said that this is BK's preferred type of offense and it's what he ran at Notre Dame. I have no clue if that's true, as I know little to nothing about what BK did or did not do during his tenure in South Bend. I will say that, in the press conference at least, he sounded like he is, if not pleased, at least ok with the current state of the offense. Like you, I wonder where all of the little wrinkles we saw at Clemson have gone. The past two weeks have looked like one of Les Miles' square peg/round hole offensive schemes. I wonder what changed.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 1:38 pm to Geauxgurt
You mean ignoring the reality that the run counts? Notice that I also acknowledged that the run game needs to be improved. Everything about your posts ignores the reality that the big run is a real play that helps you win a game.
I’ll take the win and enjoy it while you can bitch and complain while we’re 3-0. And when we lose a couple of games, then I still won’t be pouting on message board
I’ll take the win and enjoy it while you can bitch and complain while we’re 3-0. And when we lose a couple of games, then I still won’t be pouting on message board
Posted on 9/14/25 at 1:40 pm to Riverside
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The offense is a work in progress, but we’re 3-0. Calling to fire the OC right now is peak insanity.
Scoring offense: 107
Red Zone offense: 111
TFL allowed: 93
Rushing offense: 116
Passing efficiency: 93
Yards per completion: 106
3rd down %: 69
First downs: 66
Sacks allowed: 43
Total offense: 94
Holy freaking yikes.
Pass pro once again good, Nuss once again bad outside short/intermediate middle, and run game once again bad.
Happy to be 3-0, but come on man.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 1:43 pm to misey94
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Guice was not a big power back. He was actually very similar to Durham- Balanced, but more burst and speed than power. He had enough to break tackles, but he wasn’t close to the same style of back as LF or Hill.
Well yeah, but the point is that these guys were game changers. The defense had to account for them. We have no one like that. Not even close.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 2:44 pm to Geauxgurt
LSU’s run game issues aren’t just about play calling, Brad Davis has to own some of it too. In 2024, the we had one of the weakest rushing attacks in the SEC, and right now it looks like we’re headed for more of the same.
That’s been the theme under Davis, he recruits well and his guys usually hold up fine in pass pro, but the run blocking just hasn’t matched up. When you strip out QB scrambles (like Jayden Daniels putting up 1,100+ yards by himself), the rushing stats drop back down to middle of the pack or worse.
At some point you’ve gotta ask, if the line is good at keeping the QB clean, why can’t they move people in the run game? That falls on the OL coach.
That’s been the theme under Davis, he recruits well and his guys usually hold up fine in pass pro, but the run blocking just hasn’t matched up. When you strip out QB scrambles (like Jayden Daniels putting up 1,100+ yards by himself), the rushing stats drop back down to middle of the pack or worse.
At some point you’ve gotta ask, if the line is good at keeping the QB clean, why can’t they move people in the run game? That falls on the OL coach.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 2:51 pm to Geauxgurt
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He is running a counter out of the shotgun, which is stupid as a base running call. It’s something to throw in as a wrinkle. Instead, it has the running back waiting to move and giving the defense a chance to get in on him before he is even moving.
Yeah, that’s just not correct as an across the board statement. Go back and watch FSU’s offense in 22 and 23. They ran a ton of counter out of the shotgun and very effectively. Ole Miss has also used it often at times over the last 3 seasons. You just have to execute it better, which we haven’t.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 2:53 pm to Geauxgurt
Good analysis, but Davis has not recruited top OLinemen or he has not developed them....take your pick, they really are weak by SEC comparison.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 2:59 pm to misey94
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Yeah, that’s just not correct as an across the board statement. Go back and watch FSU’s offense in 22 and 23. They ran a ton of counter out of the shotgun and very effectively. Ole Miss has also used it often at times over the last 3 seasons. You just have to execute it better, which we haven’t.
Works with a dual threat QB and was more of a read option in that case. Nobody is expecting Nuss to keep it. So, yes, when you run a play that isn’t helped by your personnel then it is a bad play.
Also, using that FSU game series against two awful LSU defenses, especially in 2023, is not some kind of endorsement for it.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 3:02 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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Some have said that this is BK's preferred type of offense and it's what he ran at Notre Dame. I have no clue if that's true, as I know little to nothing about what BK did or did not do during his tenure in South Bend. I will say that, in the press conference at least, he sounded like he is, if not pleased, at least ok with the current state of the offense.
We do not run the same offense that ND did.
While there’s no way to know for certain, I wouldn’t put much weight into what was said in a press conference as to what a coach REALLY feels about things. Kelly is heavy on the coach speak.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 3:08 pm to Riverside
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The offense is a work in progress, but we’re 3-0. .
The reason you have spring and fall training is to work out and progress..by the time of game three you should be fine tuning and becoming proficient.
BK may protect his coaches in public, but behind closed doors I bet the conversation is very direct.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 3:16 pm to Geauxgurt
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Also, using that FSU game series against two awful LSU defenses, especially in 2023, is not some kind of endorsement for it.
They used it the entire season. This wasn’t just about them running it on our defense.
Here is a bit about it in 2022:
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Description In this course, Florida State Offensive Coordinator and OL Coach Alex Atkins shares the FSU Gap Scheme plays and variations including screens and run action passes off of their gap schemes.
In 2022, FSU led the country on the counter play in times called, rush yards, explosive plays, and yards before contact. They excelled in all aspects of running the gap scheme plays. Coach Atkins shares how and why they focused on using the gap scheme and its advantages against modern defensive techniques. He defines physicality and explores why the counter scheme is so effective - from developing physicality to handling movement and taking advantage of the defense's keys.
Learn how to utilize violent hands, maintain leverage, and master ball-man relationships as markers of physicality. If you are looking to add the counter to your offense, then learning from the team that was the best at it is a good place to start.
LINK
Part of the issue with the OL could be so much mixing zone and gap scheme rather than focusing on one.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 4:40 pm to Riverside
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alling to fire the OC right now is peak insanity.
yes, it may be 'peak insanity' but here he is, another year as the OC; which is very questionable if not a bit troubling.
there are quite a number of young offensive coordinators in the lower divisions that seem to easily move the ball up and down the field.
look how Gus Malzahn has turned around FSU as the offensive coordinator.
why not here at LSU?
Posted on 9/14/25 at 4:45 pm to Geauxgurt
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Reality is quite different.
2023 - 5 RBs with at least 20 carries averaged 4.9 ypc or higher with all but two having their longest runs being about 20 yards. Diggs averaged 5.5 ypc on almost 120 carries and he was not a burner breaking big run after big run to inflate that number.
2022 - 4 RBs averaging 4.9 ypc or more on at least 40 carries each. With multiple again in the 5.5 ypc range.
With JD in the game the opponent was more concerned with him than any of those other RBs. With Nuss in the game we are playing 10 on 11 in the run plays. Also as I have said on here 20 times today, JD would pull it and run on a zone read. Nuss will not so it is just a RB run into the mosh pit.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 4:52 pm to GetmorewithLes
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Nuss will not so it is just a RB run into the mosh pit.
He pulled it twice for positive yardage runs yesterday. He hit one vs Clemson for a first. So we are no longer in the realm where Nuss absolutely refuses to run. Are there some instances where he could when he rolls (when he actually has a real opening)- sure.
Zone reads rely on the DE read. If the DE doesn’t crash down and the QB keeps, he’s going to get his arse blown up. If we want a schemed QB run to make the DC take notice, a 5 wide QB draw or 12 personnel QB Counter with the RB as lead blocker would be better choices. These guarantee the outcome of Nuss running the ball. They have to be blocked well to work, but both give the offense a numbers advantage at the point of attack.
This post was edited on 9/14/25 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 9/14/25 at 5:01 pm to LSUTIGAHS123
Call BK up and see if you can play RB 1 !
Posted on 9/14/25 at 5:57 pm to misey94
Our OL are not mobile enough to efficiently run a zone blocking scheme. Slow off the snap almost everyplay. That is why they are often on their heels on running plays.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 6:16 pm to QB
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Our OL are not mobile enough to efficiently run a zone blocking scheme. Slow off the snap almost everyplay. That is why they are often on their heels on running plays.
Mubenga and Davis are. Mubenga’s issue has been strength. Davis just doesn’t know how to play the position and makes a ton of mistakes, but he’s got the athleticism.
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