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realistic assessment of jayden daniels
Posted on 1/12/23 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 1/12/23 at 4:44 pm
allright, he's got a decent arm and superior running skills. he doesn't read defenses at a high level for the passing game - not much anticipation for receivers coming open and his accuracy is often off just enough to prevent more YACS.
in college you don't have to have a top notch passer to win a championship, IF the rest of the team is really good. Top 10 defense and special teams, great oline AND running game.
So let's concede the oline will be a really good one, and we have some backs who have shown some talent. so the running game should be much improved. defense is looking good, our DC is looking good - question will be depth over he length of the season. special teams? can't be worse, but will they be better?
and let's agree that daniels has shown the ability to bring the team down and score in the clutch.
so my assessment is that while daniels won't elevate the team as a really great passing qb, if the rest of the team is that good and daniels is able to improve SOME as a passer and the running game works, we could challenge for the west and the SEC championship. He could be a really good college QB under the circumstances. I do expect Nuss to compete hard for the position, and even if he doesnt win he job, he should show enough to be inserted if Daniels falters.
we'll know a lot about our season the first game, and then the fifth or sixth game.
Geaux Tigers!
in college you don't have to have a top notch passer to win a championship, IF the rest of the team is really good. Top 10 defense and special teams, great oline AND running game.
So let's concede the oline will be a really good one, and we have some backs who have shown some talent. so the running game should be much improved. defense is looking good, our DC is looking good - question will be depth over he length of the season. special teams? can't be worse, but will they be better?
and let's agree that daniels has shown the ability to bring the team down and score in the clutch.
so my assessment is that while daniels won't elevate the team as a really great passing qb, if the rest of the team is that good and daniels is able to improve SOME as a passer and the running game works, we could challenge for the west and the SEC championship. He could be a really good college QB under the circumstances. I do expect Nuss to compete hard for the position, and even if he doesnt win he job, he should show enough to be inserted if Daniels falters.
we'll know a lot about our season the first game, and then the fifth or sixth game.
Geaux Tigers!
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 4:52 pm to stephendomalley
A combination of Tom Brady and Michael Vick, with a little bit of Ric Flair;WOOOO
Posted on 1/12/23 at 4:54 pm to stephendomalley
National Champion Passing Stats
2022 Stetson 304 Yards
2021 Stetson 254 Yards
2020 Jones 424 Yards
2019 Burrow 463 Yards
2018 Lawerence 347 Yards
2017 Tua/Hurts 187 Yards
2016 Watson 420 Yards
2015. Coker 335 Yards
2014. Jones 242 Yards
2013. Winston 237 Yards
321 Yards Passing Avg
2022 Stetson 304 Yards
2021 Stetson 254 Yards
2020 Jones 424 Yards
2019 Burrow 463 Yards
2018 Lawerence 347 Yards
2017 Tua/Hurts 187 Yards
2016 Watson 420 Yards
2015. Coker 335 Yards
2014. Jones 242 Yards
2013. Winston 237 Yards
321 Yards Passing Avg
Posted on 1/12/23 at 5:17 pm to stephendomalley
I do expect Nuss to compete hard for the position, and even if he doesnt win he job, he should show enough to be inserted if Daniels falters.
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Hope your analysis is right but even if Nuss shows improvement I’ve little hope BK will relieve JD simply if things are going bad. He didn’t do that this past season maybe because he felt there wasn’t better on the bench. I hope Nuss improves giving BK more sub latitude than he’s previously shown otherwise Nuss may be sitting on a lot of pine, if he stays.
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Hope your analysis is right but even if Nuss shows improvement I’ve little hope BK will relieve JD simply if things are going bad. He didn’t do that this past season maybe because he felt there wasn’t better on the bench. I hope Nuss improves giving BK more sub latitude than he’s previously shown otherwise Nuss may be sitting on a lot of pine, if he stays.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 5:34 pm to stephendomalley
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he doesn't read defenses at a high level for the passing game
This is the crux of the problem. And he's not learning it from Denbrock/Kelly either. So realistically, unless Maason Smith comes back 100%, Perkins steps up his game, and the incoming DB's play at a high level, I expect LSU to contend for the West but likely end up somewhere around 9-3. 10-2 if we beat FSU.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 6:14 pm to sportjunkie69
I figure its a 10-2 year.
We'll have two games we don't show up. Offense and defense should both be better.
We'll have two games we don't show up. Offense and defense should both be better.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 6:25 pm to stephendomalley
You make some good points to be sure. I do not disagree It remains to be seen that JD can improve enough to win games himself. He has had 4 years to round into a top level QB, but I see no indication that he has learned much about the fundamentals of the game. This is central to all players but especially the QB which everyone understands is the most important position. He has to know what is happening everywhere on the field. JD clearly does not.
Has he ever checked out of a play successfully? I cannot recall a time he did. I think keeping him is a misstep, but Kelly is the one to make such calls. We as fans get to argue about them which is entertaining sometimes.
Has he ever checked out of a play successfully? I cannot recall a time he did. I think keeping him is a misstep, but Kelly is the one to make such calls. We as fans get to argue about them which is entertaining sometimes.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 6:33 pm to stephendomalley
Honestly, JD reminds me of Danny Etling a bit. They both had average accuracy and arm strength, both are tough and good leaders, JD being obviously more athletic. Both had their moments and both could be frustrating as hell sometimes to watch. Neither will elevate a team but can win with good weapons around them
Posted on 1/12/23 at 6:38 pm to stephendomalley
JD doesn’t have a good arm and he can’t throw a tight spiral - his passes often wobble and it’s not a very catchable ball - that’s why the WR’s had so many drops this year. If he could throw the ball better, read defenses better, throw with anticipation, and be more decisive and aggressive then he could be a serviceable QB.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 6:50 pm to stephendomalley
I'm probably higher on Daniels than most of this board but I did notice that the miraculous escapability he showed early in the season was significantly diminished towards the end of the year. That's probably due to a combination of better game planning by defenses, the wear and tear of the season, and a conscious effort to be more patient in the pocket.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 6:52 pm to MarlboroTiger
It comes down to his lack of understanding how the game is played. Hope BK is correct about year 5, but it cannot be based on anything one has seen in game.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 6:55 pm to stephendomalley
He does enough to win games. WR play will only improve.
Lack of a dominant running back is killing us.
Reliable tight ends, that not only catch passes, but stay in and block, will only help JD. Having only Mason Taylor last year sucked for a young o line.
Lack of a dominant running back is killing us.
Reliable tight ends, that not only catch passes, but stay in and block, will only help JD. Having only Mason Taylor last year sucked for a young o line.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 6:57 pm to stephendomalley
Good Lord! do people read before posting?
Posted on 1/12/23 at 7:51 pm to shinerfan
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a conscious effort to be more patient in the pocket.
Well, if this is true it did not seem to improve his ability to pass.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 8:16 pm to SulphursFinest
Typical, “it’s everyone else’s fault” even though all those groups performed at a high level. Oline graded top 10 nationally, backs averaged 5.4 a carry (JD 4.8), WRs were running open all year, TE was outstanding when we could get him the ball and most of his yards were after the catch. The QBs efficiency ratings were lower than everyone else’s but because every play was called for him his volume of stats looked good. His yards per play and efficiency were dogshit.
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 1/12/23 at 8:42 pm to stephendomalley
Daniel’s will get hit a lot. As we saw last year. So we need Nuss to be ready anyway
Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:22 pm to Madking
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The QBs efficiency ratings were lower than everyone else’s but because every play was called for him his volume of stats looked good
This is spot on. JD was the entire offense because he couldn’t ever get anybody else involved
Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:44 pm to White Tiger
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It remains to be seen if JD can improve enough to win games himself
Tell that to Bama and Nick
Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:46 pm to Cooterlane
I like our chances
Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:50 pm to Madking
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The QBs efficiency ratings were lower than everyone else’s but because every play was called for him his volume of stats looked good. His yards per play and efficiency were dogshit.
He was 18th nationally in QBR.
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