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re: Realism for LSU Fans with McMahon and Program

Posted on 3/22/22 at 10:49 pm to
Posted by DBG
vermont
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Posted on 3/22/22 at 10:49 pm to
Yes. Do you?
Posted by Forever
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 3/22/22 at 10:49 pm to
Yea, I’m the stupid one while you say that the NCAA is a sham organization but will also give us the death penalty because we didn’t keep Wade in spite of the laundry list of Level 1 violations with hard evidence they presented a month ago, all in one post.
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And I’ll say it again…the fans who think he’s some badass who “gets his guy” are ignorant little children who don’t have a grasp on college athletics

You can say it a third time, because that makes absolutely no sense like the rest of your dumb fricking post. The only person in this thread who’s an ignorant child is you. Whether you understand it or not, the NCAA is the body that allows LSU to have sanctioned athletic events. We don’t just get to tell them no and poke our chests out then laugh while they say “well gosh that LSUButt guy sure told us, I guess we’ll never get that Will Wade fella”. If you’re not 12, you might be the most immature arse ignorant moron I’ve ever seen post on this forum which says a ton
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 3/22/22 at 10:52 pm to
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Y’all can say Wade messed up and caused this, but woodward signed off on this death sentence. Keeping Wade around would have the same, possible less impact.

There's a good chance the NCAA says Will Wade can't coach for a few years. Then what do you do? You're fricked.
Posted by LSUButt
Lowcountry
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 3/22/22 at 10:53 pm to
You are my point.

Thank you for that post. You don’t have a concept of the landscape that is happening. Every play is gone. That’s not debatable. It’s crazy y’all think it is. Look at the wording of McMahon’s contact…why would they put a clause in for sanctions?

And the fun part…if you’re a top 300 recruit, you’re getting paid something to go somewhere. So you think Kentucky isn’t laying those guys? Zion’s parents got that $900k house cuz they just could randomly buy it. Those 5-stars at Tennessee just love ole Ricky Barnes.

If you are getting good recruits, you pay them. If you don’t pay them, you don’t get them. If you don’t get them, you don’t win. That’s college basketball, and THAT is why all of this is bullshite
Posted by Tiger in Co
On the road
Member since Mar 2022
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Posted on 3/22/22 at 10:55 pm to
Woodward used this opportunity to fire wade and get his guy,the ncaa won't come down that hard times have changed just check out what NC State got basically nothing, oh and that guy named pearl he had assistants go to jail he got a slap on the wrist and told not to do that again,and come on the worst of all Calipari,every college he leaves they vacate wins,banners etc.oh and he always some how manages to get one of the top 3 recruiting classes every year you don't think the ncaa knows what he's doing,sure they do but they choose to look the other way,because of what else money.Not that much will happen to LSU
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 3/22/22 at 10:56 pm to
Yes it requires a new school to show cause why the sanctions the coach left at the old school should not be imposed on the new school.
Posted by LSUButt
Lowcountry
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Posted on 3/22/22 at 10:56 pm to
Well Woodward had ZERO problem sacrificing the tournament this year. In your scenario, if they said “lsu you can’t compete for 3 years abs Wade can’t coach” then have hide fricking assistants do it or something.

But that’s the point right? We didn’t force the NCAA’s hand. We didn’t fight them like auburn did…like Kansas did. We allowed them to dictate our program and future. That’s my point. If it gets to a point where it’s crazy then ok. But he only cares about what he wants, but even what is best for the university.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
77968 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 10:57 pm to
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why would they put a clause in for sanctions?


Would you come to this job without that clause?

Would any coach?
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
77792 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 10:57 pm to
I know the allegations are horseshite. Most of what the NCAA does is horseshite. But fricking Will Wade isn’t Bill Self. And if Kansas gets hit with severe sanctions tied to Self, we’ll see how long that lifetime contract lasts.
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8977 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 10:57 pm to
Unless it is a straight suspension, the NCAA could not tell Wade he couldn’t coach at LSU for a few years.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
77792 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 10:59 pm to
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Yes it requires a new school to show cause why the sanctions the coach left at the old school should not be imposed on the new school.


AND, the current school.

So if Wade has a 10 year show cause, LSU has 10 years of penalties.
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8977 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 11:02 pm to
You’re wasting your breath with some of these people. They do not truly understand how screwed this basketball program is today, not because of the NCAA, but Woodward.

He brings in a fairly inexpensive coach who will be squeaky clean and sign classes in the bottom half of the conference. May overachieve every once in a while, but will not consistently win in this league.

Woody gets his clean guy to make sure basketball stays in its lane and doesn’t create problems for football.
This post was edited on 3/22/22 at 11:12 pm
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8977 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 11:07 pm to
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AND, the current school.

So if Wade has a 10 year show cause, LSU has 10 years of penalties.


That’s not really accurate. Wade has a show cause against him that may prevent him from doing certain things, such as engage in certain recruiting activities.

Here is a good explanation.

LINK
Posted by UnoMe
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/22/22 at 11:08 pm to
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Thank you for that post


Never thought you would thank me for saying your emotional & full of shite, but your welcome.

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You don’t have a concept of the landscape that is happening


and you do?

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Every play is gone.


Because Wade fricked up.

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Look at the wording of McMahon’s contact…why would they put a clause in for sanctions?



Because Wade fricked up, You think the new coach don't have smart people hired?

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And the fun part…if you’re a top 300 recruit, you’re getting paid something to go somewhere. So you think Kentucky isn’t laying those guys? Zion’s parents got that $900k house cuz they just could randomly buy it. Those 5-stars at Tennessee just love ole Ricky Barnes.


You got proof any of this happened vs NCAA having proof of Wade and his transgressions


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If you are getting good recruits, you pay them. If you don’t pay them, you don’t get them. If you don’t get them, you don’t win. That’s college basketball, and THAT is why all of this is bullshite


Which is why I think you are being emotional about being setback 10 years, "Paying" is the norm now through NIL, Go make you some money and belly up to the table and give it to a 17-18 year old that doesn't give 2 shits about Baton Roge/Louisiana or me or you. Just looking for the next hand out.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
44576 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 11:10 pm to
Hey man, I personally appreciate your post and thoughts. You’re not going to get through to the audience that needs to listen. It’s unfortunate. We had a good run.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61621 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 11:12 pm to
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This program is about to have 2-3 year ban


no way
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
77792 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 11:14 pm to
You can’t cite Pearl and Sampson as comps. They made illegal contact with recruits. They didn’t blatantly pay players from their own bank account.

But even still, I’ll play along. If Wade has a 5 year show cause with and isn’t allowed to fully recruit…what’s the point of keeping him away?
This post was edited on 3/22/22 at 11:15 pm
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8977 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 11:14 pm to
You do realize the NOA is nothing more than allegations, right?

You do realize the NCAA has to prove its case before an independent arbitration panel, right?

This isn’t 1995 where the NCAA played judge, jury and executioner.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
27933 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 11:16 pm to
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You, however, don’t understand what’s about to happen to this program. We are going to lose every player and y’all think we are just gonna rebuild for some unknown reason



Yeah you and me not sharing a fox hole.

The good news is you can follow Wade to whatever high school he ends up with, hopefully it will be close so you can go to the games.
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8977 posts
Posted on 3/22/22 at 11:19 pm to
Wow, you missed the entire point of that post and citation to the article, I’m not comparing these situations. Read the whole damn article, the end has a section explaining exactly what a show cause is and isn’t.

Although the IARP makes them more comparable because the NCAA’s feet will be held to the fire on evidentiary issues. The allegations in the NOA sound really bad, but they are very light on usable evidence under NCAA bylaws.

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