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re: Randall's draft spot
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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we ran plenty of routes to watch how RR ran routes, judged coverage, etc
Sure, but unless you finish the play with a catch, that hardly makes a difference. Fact is neither QB knew how to judge coverage.
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doubtful. his workouts weren't that great and he was never going to be a "name" guy like floyd or blackmon
Disagree.
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Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:02 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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Sure, but unless you finish the play with a catch, that hardly makes a difference.
most of watching film on a WR is watching how they get in/out of cuts, reading the D, blocking etc
if the QB misses an open WR, it doesn't matter on film. the film will show the WR got open. end of story
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Disagree.
LSU doesn't produce many offensive name guys
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but NFL teams aren't stupid. they had 2/3 of a season to judge, as well as the 2010 season
And they judged him correctly as a good player and a 2nd round guy. With better QB play, more yards and more visibilty (because of better stats) I'd say he could have been a 1st rounder. That's not a stretch by any means.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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most of watching film on a WR is watching how they get in/out of cuts, reading the D, blocking etc
And how he anticipates and catches the ball with a CB on him, catches in traffic, catches as the safety is about to hit him.
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if the QB misses an open WR, it doesn't matter on film. the film will show the WR got open. end of story
Can't miss if you can't even get the ball out. See the last few games of the season.
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LSU doesn't produce many offensive name guys
Dwayne Bowe and Buster Davis in this generation. Even though Davis didn't deserve it, wonder why he got in. Couldn't be the QB play at the time, could it?
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
In one post you are saying NFL teams don't draft on stats and they will spot talent regardless of how many times they get the ball. In the next you are saying the only guys who will get drafted early in the first round are "name" guys. If RR had a QB like Luck or RG3 throwing to him he would be a "name" guy and he would have been drafted in the first round. You really can't understand that?
Exactly right.
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And they judged him correctly as a good player and a 2nd round guy. With better QB play, more yards and more visibilty (because of better stats) I'd say he could have been a 1st rounder. That's not a stretch by any means.
Exactly right.
This post was edited on 4/27/12 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:11 pm to The Mick
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Lots of analysts have another 6-8 WR's ranked higher than RR. Unless there's a run on WR in the 2nd then he could fall to 3rd or 4th round.
By "lots" is this another McShay nugget you've heard like the one similar to Viks taking Mo over Kalil?
no offense
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:13 pm to lsu480
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In the next you are saying the only guys who will get drafted early in the first round are "name" guys
and RR isn't going to become that guy. not at LSU
had he picked OU over LSU, this would be a different story. he'd probably be a top 15 pick without any change in stats
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If RR had a QB like Luck or RG3 throwing to him he would be a "name" guy
eh, at LSU? i dunno
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and RR isn't going to become that guy. not at LSU
RR was very much going to be that guy this year.
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had he picked OU over LSU, this would be a different story. he'd probably be a top 15 pick without any change in stats
Laughable statement and pure conjecture.
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eh, at LSU? i dunno
What do Michael Clayton, Dwayne Bowe and Buster Davis have in common? All first round picks who had consistent QB play in their time at LSU. RR had the talent to be one of these guys. 100% plausible.
This post was edited on 4/27/12 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:29 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Randle would have been a first round pick with better qb play in the last 5 games of the 2011 season.
Once the qb change was made, his stats dropped dramatically.
Once the qb change was made, his stats dropped dramatically.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:32 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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What do Michael Clayton, Dwayne Bowe and Buster Davis have in common? All first round picks who had consistent QB play in their time at LSU. RR had the talent to be one of these guys. 100% plausible.
Clayton aside, I recall the 2006 draft being shallow for receivers.
I can't see Buster getting in the first round this year.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:34 pm to TheDoc
No doubt in my mind.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:53 pm to ItNeverRains
quote:Umm no. Its linked above if you care to look at it. I hope that is wrong and that RR goes in the 2nd. But to answer your question, no its not something I heard its somethign published on national sports websites.
By "lots" is this another McShay nugget you've heard like the one similar to Viks taking Mo over Kalil?
no offense
Posted on 4/27/12 at 12:54 pm to The Mick
Jarret Lee said Randle was lazy. Take it FWIW
Posted on 4/27/12 at 1:17 pm to HeadCoach
randle thought he was going to kill it at the combine and he didn't. that hurt him more than jj.
also, the difference between 1st round and 2nd round could be the differnece between the 28th pick and the 34th pick. I can't see that being a huge amount on an anuual basis.
he decided to go early and it didn't work out. brockers decided to go early and it worked out. you never know what will happen unless you are pp7 or claiborne. rr took the risk so now accept it and move forward.
also, the difference between 1st round and 2nd round could be the differnece between the 28th pick and the 34th pick. I can't see that being a huge amount on an anuual basis.
he decided to go early and it didn't work out. brockers decided to go early and it worked out. you never know what will happen unless you are pp7 or claiborne. rr took the risk so now accept it and move forward.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 1:55 pm to Larry Hollins
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rr took the risk so now accept it and move forward.
See, that's what I don't get. Why everyone thinks that it's not panning out. I just don't think we know yet.
If he goes in the top of the second then it worked out IMO. That's we're a lot of mocks had him and I'm sure his agent told him to expect 2-3 round. And like you said, he didn't exactly kill it at the combine.
I really don't think that he expected to go yesterday. Maybe hoped for it but he couldn't have banked on it.
Even if he comes back and catches 60-70 balls, what does that prove if he has the same 40 and same vertical? His 2011 stats were fine so I don't see what an extra year does.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 2:16 pm to ZereauxSum
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Even if he comes back and catches 60-70 balls, what does that prove if he has the same 40 and same vertical? His 2011 stats were fine so I don't see what an extra year does.
Everything else (40/vertical etc) being the same, better stats with a better QB and more experience gets him in the first round. Not to mention another year of coaching and training he would get here. That's just how it works - a lot of guys who stay back an extra year leverage the experience to get a better deal at the next level. But there's always the risk of injury and other issues beyond his control.
Bottom line is could RR have been a 1st rounder this year or maybe next year and I think the answer is yes. If he goes in the 2nd, its still a good deal.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 2:18 pm to TheDoc
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Randle would have been a first round pick with better qb play in the last 5 games of the 2011 season.
Once the qb change was made, his stats dropped dramatically.
TeamSwag must have turned in their beepers, otherwise, they would have Tebowed you by now.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 2:52 pm to TheDoc
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Randle would have been a first round pick with better qb play in the last 5 games of the 2011 season.
all this talk he would have been a first rounder if he went to OU or better qb play, is crap.
R.R., God bless him for being a tiger; With that said, he never did anything spectacular. he did some good things, not great things. He never had a wow moment in his career.
Megatron had freaking reggie ball throwing to him. Julio made plays against p.p. with average qb play. A.j. green made wow plays with poor qb play.
Green and julio didn't catch as many balls as the cat who hurt his leg at with OU this year. Neither did megatron. however, the scouts could tell, along with the average person, these guys were play makers.
we love r.r., however, r.r. just never maximized his physical ability. I remember watching him drop balls in the Army game in high school. Unfortunately, he never had that edge or desire to be the best.
hopefully he finds it. if not, he'll always be a good, just not great.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 3:10 pm to dos crystal
Browns fans want him at 37 (if not Steve Hill).
I'd love it...
I'd love it...
Posted on 4/27/12 at 3:13 pm to OneMoreTime
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Who's randall?
My thoughts exactly, I was pretty sure Marcus Randall graduated along time ago....
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