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re: Putting Brown in for Stanfield
Posted on 6/19/25 at 10:18 am to Metaloctopus
Posted on 6/19/25 at 10:18 am to Metaloctopus
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Jay is great, and he's a winner, and we're all glad to have him, but could you point to where he "out schooled" DVH?
DVH shite his own bed last night. Pitching to Bear in the bottom of the ninth in a tie game with first base open should have been a felony in that situation. Anyone can say they were pitching around him hoping he chases balls out of the zone, he's been in a recent slump, etc. The guy had two homers and two singles in the previous 36 hours, he has 62 career HRs, a certain draft pick this month, a 3 year player, has a WS ring, on and on.
There is no logical explanation for him deciding to pitch to Jared Jones in that situation. It was a dick brain decision that lost him the game and one he will never forget.
CJJ made decisions last night that went in his favor. Anyone that has followed this team the last couple of years knows these moments are prepared for in advance starting with the first practice of the season. Every odd pitching decision he makes during the regular season prepares each player for their 10 to 14 day trip to Omaha at the end of the season. The man simply gets IT. He works 24/7, 365 to put his team in the position they are in today.
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 10:19 am to Revelator
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In my view, Brown should never leave the lineup. He’s a good hitter, fast and a good fielder too
Brown's tools jump off the page. He also led the team in slugging by .100 points in SEC Play. One of the most impressive aspects of his game IMO is his ability to hit with two strikes and behind in the count. I don't have the numbers but I'd bet he is leading the team in two strike BA.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 10:21 am to Metaloctopus
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I can't imagine why he would not have made that move, to be perfectly honest.
Because at that point, the bottom of the 6th, it's still only a 1 run game (1-0). Stanfield is your CF and he's not a bad hitter. Runs had obviously been at a premium to that point and a coach may not think the gamble of PH would outweigh the "con" of weakening your outfield defense for the next 3 innings. In fact, in the top of the 8th Arkansas got two hits to CF. MAYBE (though by no means certain) Stanfield gets 1 or both of those if he is in CF.
There was logic to not making that move. Hell, it appears DVH didn't expect Jay to make the move. That's why he chose to intentionally walk a "worse" LH hitter in Pearson the batter before. DVH didn't think Jay would be willing to sacrifice his CF at that point in the game. He guess wrong and Jay (through Brown) made him pay.
This post was edited on 6/19/25 at 10:23 am
Posted on 6/19/25 at 10:25 am to Htxtiger17
It was the only move. Jay would do that a hundred times in game of that magnitude
Posted on 6/19/25 at 10:29 am to Meauxjeaux
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Oh, DVH is a dumbass for pitching to Jones with first base open, so there definitely was plenty to do with coaching
Only Hernandez at 2nd matters. DVH chose to pitch to a guy that already had 2 hits including a homer with first base open. It was a really bad coaching decision.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 11:53 am to Htxtiger17
The real genius move was waiting for Stanfield. Typically, Brown has gone in for Pearson when facing RHP.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 2:32 am to Alt26
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Because at that point, the bottom of the 6th, it's still only a 1 run game (1-0). Stanfield is your CF and he's not a bad hitter. Runs had obviously been at a premium to that point and a coach may not think the gamble of PH would outweigh the "con" of weakening your outfield defense for the next 3 innings. In fact, in the top of the 8th Arkansas got two hits to CF. MAYBE (though by no means certain) Stanfield gets 1 or both of those if he is in CF.
There was logic to not making that move. Hell, it appears DVH didn't expect Jay to make the move. That's why he chose to intentionally walk a "worse" LH hitter in Pearson the batter before. DVH didn't think Jay would be willing to sacrifice his CF at that point in the game. He guess wrong and Jay (through Brown) made him pay.
It really comes down to one thing in that moment: You can't come from behind with defense. You need offense, and runs being at a premium, as you just stated, that is exactly why you make the move to Brown. With all due respect to Stanfield, we are are really not downgrading much in the field, if at all, by sliding Curiel to center. Stanfield has speed, but has not been immune to mistakes out there. It's just not enough of an issue, defensively, to not go to Brown. Brown has better number across the board than Stanfield, considerably, despite struggling against lefties, which tells you just how much he has dominated right handers. So, it's just a no-brainer, to me.
If Van Horn didn't think Jay would do that, then that was an oversight on his part. It doesn't make the decision any less obvious from a practical standpoint.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 2:38 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:08 am to Honkus
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would love to see him on the mound as well next year... was the top LHP in a LA class that included Kade Anderson
I think you can forget that. If he had Kade Anderson level ability they would not let him near a batter’s box. These guys are chasing careers, and they are figuring out where their best chances are then focusing on that. Our expert coaches got him on campus, evaluated him, then made him a hitter.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:55 am to Codythetiger
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hopefully next year he can put it all together and show some increased production against LHP
As a full-time player, he will. This year, he had only 18 ABs against LHPs in conference play. 18 chances in 30 games isn't much at all. Last year, his total conference stats were 3 for 21. He's improved from a .143 average in the SEC to a .324 average this year. He will do the same with LHPs.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:59 am to BZ504
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JJ absolutely out schooled DVH last night.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Jay is the Nick Saban of college baseball. He doesn’t leave any stone unturned and has his team prepared for just about every play. Most of all his teams are always more mentally tough than the opponents.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:59 am to Htxtiger17
Surprised that JJ did not PH Brown for Pearson.
Arky then proceeds to intentionally walk Pearson making the Brown move easy for JJ.
Arky then proceeds to intentionally walk Pearson making the Brown move easy for JJ.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:12 am to Htxtiger17
quote:I think every coach in America makes that move. Except Van Horn. It was almost unfair. Brown tore righties up and even more so against Arkansas. He was 5 first 8 w 5 rbi and 2 knocks prior
Not talked about a ton but a HUGE move by Jay. Not a lot of coaches make that move
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:21 am to Htxtiger17
DVH intentionally walking the batter before was the biggest coaching mistake of the game.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:15 am to RB10
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Brown was always coming in first opportunity against a righty. He’s been way too good against them.
Not only that, but he was pinch hitting for an outfielder which means he can stay in the game and get more than the one AB.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:28 am to MIKEDATIGER
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Surprised that JJ did not PH Brown for Pearson.
That’s what I thought he would do. Glad he didn’t, because DVH then walks Brown and Right Handed Pitcher faces Pearson. Much rather Brown face that pitcher and he proved why.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:08 am to Htxtiger17
hes always going to come in the first time a righty is on the mound and we have runners on base. hes not necessarily going to do it with the bases empty but if there's guys on then I can just about guarantee it
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:19 am to Meauxjeaux
Not sure why DVH took out Gibler. Only 1 hard hit ball and that one should have been caught. Curiels ball was magically placed, Milam rolled an easy one to SS. They should have been out of the inning. Also Gibler had success against LSU in BR series. 1 walk 3 strikeouts no runs no hits
Curiel struck out swinging
Jones struck out swinging
Dickinson grounded out to 3b
Frey walked
Pearson struck out swinging
Jimenez had very little success against us during the season
2 appearances- 1 1/3 IP 5 hits 3 runs all earned 3 walks 2Ks facing 13 batters
Curiel struck out swinging
Jones struck out swinging
Dickinson grounded out to 3b
Frey walked
Pearson struck out swinging
Jimenez had very little success against us during the season
2 appearances- 1 1/3 IP 5 hits 3 runs all earned 3 walks 2Ks facing 13 batters
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 11:20 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:34 am to Htxtiger17
That was an easy decision to pinch hit Brown. I told my buddy that right before they announced Brown was coming in. I’m no baseball genius either.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:37 am to Metaloctopus
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I can't imagine why he would not have made that move, to be perfectly honest.
I agree. What’s interesting is with all the moronic criticism of DVH for his players shitting the bed, this was the one situation where I thought he clearly got used by Jay. I didn’t understand walking Pearson to get to Stanfield when I was positive Jake would PH for him. I don’t think Arkie/DVH realized Jay would PH in that spot, which is a poor job of scouting on their part. Loading the bases puts the pitcher in a tough spot, much more so than facing Josh with a base open.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:22 am to kc8876
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Awe man, some people downvoted you. I hope you get through this
I was so hurt by it that I just realized, two days later, that you responded to my comment. Clearly, I must have been thinking about it a lot.
I don't care about upvotes and downvotes, in and of themselves. I simply would like to know why two people can make the same point, and people agree with one person, but not the other. It has nothing to do with my feelings. I wouldn't post on here if I couldn't handle disagreement. But this particular phenomenon that I described, is one that consistently confounds me. And I don't just see it with my comments at times, but with other people, as well.
Is it alright with you if I wonder these things and point them out?
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