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re: Problems at Left Guard?
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:54 am to thunderbird1100
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:54 am to thunderbird1100
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Sounds like you just made an assumption the 1st team OL gave up all the sacks and ran with it. I mean, it's possible, but it's also possible they played ok too, and 2nd team/walk ons gave up a handful of sacks, too. We dont know that, because the context of that information wasn't provided.
I am making the assumption that some of the 1st team OL guys played. I'm also looking at the quotes from the game about how the defense "dominated".
I'm taking that to mean the offense, including the offensive line, did not play well.
I'm then taking that information and coupling it with the fact that the offensive line did not play well for most of 2018, and coming to the conclusion that the offensive line is still a problem.
***Just like everyone here does every single year when it comes to LSU football.
You getting butthurt that I'm doing it is really strange, but you do you.
ETA: I'll make sure and let you know the next time someone says Emery/Davis will be great. Or Marshall/ Moss will be monsters.
I mean, they're making those assumptions without any context and I'm assuming you'll want to set them straight.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 9:58 am
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Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Guard seems solid, tackle is a question mark. Do think the offense will take pressure off the tackles though.
Completely agree with this. Tackles are the bigger question mark. How much will Ensminger/Brady help them out this year with more creative and unpredictable play calling? Forcing the D line to hesitate...half a step makes a huge difference.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 9:56 am
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:56 am to thunderbird1100
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The problems are at LG and RT, Charles will be good this year. We haven't figured out LG or RT to this point IMO
Hines was good in spots last year.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:59 am to 00 Tech Grad
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half a step makes a huge difference.
We will definitely know by week two. We definitely want to keep the DL on their heels.
OL is still a question mark but I definitely feel better about it this year than last. We knew nothing about em coming out of camp
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:09 am to RogerTheShrubber
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He looks lighter. Hopefully that shows in his footwork
He actually gained a little weight compared to last year, or pretty much unchanged on the roster. I honestly dont see any difference body wise.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:10 am to RB10
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I'm taking that to mean the offense, including the offensive line, did not play well.
But again, we dont know the context behind any of that. We know 5 sacks were given up, but not by who. We dont know how the 1st team offense itself looked, or how much of the scrimmage they were even on the field. These are all pretty relevant things to understand before drawing conclusions based on partial information.
Again, we all know the OL sucked last year, but you are purposely leaving out very relevant info we know and we dont know here about the 1st scrimmage.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 10:14 am
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:11 am to fallguy_1978
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Hines was good in spots last year.
Magee has been running 1st team LG this year so far.
I think they are trying to get Hines as many quality reps at center as they can because we dont have a particularly comfortable backup center situation. I bet if you asked who the backup center is TODAY, they would tell you it's walk on Michael Smith, who they just gave a scholarship for his senior year.
Ultimately I think Hines wins the LG job and also gets 2nd team C reps, that would probably make the most sense. If Ingram comes back mid-season could throw a wild card into all that. He is an unquestioned LG starter IMO as long as he's kept up with himself, missing all this time though in the new offense doesn't lend well to him playing this year though.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 10:13 am
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:13 am to thunderbird1100
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But again, we dont know the context behind any of that. We know 5 sacks were given up, but not by who. We dont know how the 1st team offense itself looked, or how much of the scrimmage they were even on the field. These are all pretty relevant things to understand before drawing conclusions based on partial information.
So we can't make any conclusions about the football team, at all? Right? Or is it just people you disagree with can't make conclusions?
I don't see you throwing a bitch fit when people say everything is going to be better, even though they're doing it without any context. Why is that?
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:17 am to RB10
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So we can't make any conclusions about the football team, at all?
I'm talking about drawing a conclusion based on the 1st scrimmage, which you did originally. "Well the OL sucked last year and based on 5 sacks given up...well...". My point was without knowing who gave up the 5 sacks, it's not exactly relevant information into determining how the 1st team OL played in said scrimmage.
You COULD be exactly right, but again, without that information, seems silly to stand behind the 1st scrimmage results and what we do know like the bible when you cant even tell us who gave up the sacks. Not sure why you still seemingly cant admit that. I'm fully agreeing with you the OL remains a huge question mark, but I'm not drawing conclusions based on 1 week of practice and the 1st scrimmage results which we dont even know the full details on at all.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:19 am to thunderbird1100
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I'm talking about drawing a conclusion based on the 1st scrimmage, which you did originally. "Well the OL sucked last year and based on 5 sacks given up...well...". My point was without knowing who gave up the 5 sacks, it's not exactly relevant information into determining how the 1st team OL played in said scrimmage.
Is this better or worse than basing it off of one video of a run or high school tape?
I'm serious, why aren't you calling out all of these people making the claims that Emery is going to set freshman records without any context? Why is it you're fine with me saying Stingley is going to be a monster without any context?
If you're going to throw a temper tantrum about context, make sure you're consistent with it.
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You COULD be exactly right, but again, without that information, seems silly to stand behind the 1st scrimmage results and what we do know like the bible when you cant even tell us who gave up the sacks. Not sure why you still seemingly cant admit that. I'm fully agreeing with you the OL remains a huge question mark, but I'm not drawing conclusions based on 1 week of practice and the 1st scrimmage results which we dont even know the full details on at all.
I'm not drawing the conclusion based on the scrimmage. The conclusion was drawn last year. The scrimmage has just reaffirmed my belief that the offensive line is a problem.
Pretty big difference in those two sentiments.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 10:22 am
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:21 am to RB10
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So we can't make any conclusions
Sure
O line was bad at times this year
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O line is very experienced this year
Offense changed and it should help the offensive line
Conclusion. The offensive line will be improved over last season.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Conclusion. The offensive line will be improved over last season.
You have no context to make this conclusion. The other poster should lambaste you for it, but he won't.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:23 am to RB10
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Is this better or worse than basing it off of one video of a run or high school tape?
I'm serious, why aren't you calling out all of these people making the claims that Emery is going to set freshman records without any context? Why is it you're fine with me saying Stingley is going to be a monster without any context?
If you're going to throw a temper tantrum about context, make sure you're consistent with it.
The fact you're crying about me not being a Tiger Rant global police about context kind of tells it all here. I was just addressing your comment I saw and apparently this just really upsets you. But hey, if your defense of it at this point is whining about why I dont make 1000 posts a day about context of everyone's posts, so be it
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I'm not drawing the conclusion based on the scrimmage
That's exactly what you did in that post. then you started saying a bunch of other stuff we ALL already knew. Again, we all know the Ol sucked last year, what I am saying is you were basing a conclusion off a scrimmage THIS year that just happened without any real context provided on who were the culprits. That's extremely relevant information.
I'll try 1 last time:
Is knowing who gave up the sacks relevant or not?
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 10:26 am
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:25 am to RB10
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You have no context to make this conclusion.
I have evidence plus an assumption based on things we actually do know.
You really don't have to be a football scholar to realize that experience both collective and individual gives a tremendous possibility of improvement.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:26 am to thunderbird1100
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The fact you're crying about me not being a global police about context kind of tells it all here. I was just addressing your comment I saw and apparently this just really upsets you.
Well, you sure are hell bent on policing what I post. Seems you'd want to be consistent.
I guess not.
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That's exactly what you did in that post. then you started saying a bunch of other stuff we ALL already knew. Again, we all know the Ol sucked last year, what I am saying is you were basing a conclusion off a scrimmage THIS year without any real context provided on who were the culprits. That's extremely relevant information.
How many times does it have to be explained to you that this isn't a conclusion based on a scrimmage? It was a scrimmage that did nothing dissuade an already established conclusion.
I'm honestly not sure why you're whining about this so much. It really is very strange.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I have evidence plus an assumption based on things we actually do know.
You have no evidence of it and the only things we actually do know is they were last in the conference in 2018.
I'm still waiting on thunderbird to jump down your throat for making assumptions without any context.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:29 am to RB10
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How many times does it have to be explained to you that this isn't a conclusion based on a scrimmage? It was a scrimmage that did nothing dissuade an already established conclusion.
I'm sure stuff happened in that scrimmage to help us draw a better conclusion than you are (which is just making assumption based on partial information and what happend LAST season), the problem is WE dont have that information, which is why you were called out to start with.
And still cant answer a simple question:
Are who gave up the sacks relevant information or not?
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 10:30 am
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:30 am to thunderbird1100
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I'll try 1 last time:
Is knowing who gave up the sacks relevant or not?
I'm talking about the unit as a whole, so it's less important than you want it to be. LSU played something like 9 offensive linemen last year, so everyone matters.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:30 am to RB10
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You have no evidence of it
You're so dug in you can't find a way out.
Thunderbird has you pegged and beaten. You're just flailing arms here.
You're desperately trying to fit this into some narrow definition and totally ignoring all context while crying about context
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:30 am to RB10
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I'm talking about the unit as a whole, so it's less important than you want it to be. LSU played something like 9 offensive linemen last year, so everyone matters.
Still cant fricking answer the question after being asked a billion times.
Says it all.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 10:31 am
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