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Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:13 am to thunderbird1100
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It's been 1 scrimmage, and agian you have ZERO clue who even gave up 5 sacks. context actually matters even if you can't admit that.
Last in the SEC in sacks allowed in 2018. More trouble protecting the quarterback to start off fall camp in 2019.
"Context"
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:17 am to RB10
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Last in the SEC in sacks allowed in 2018. More trouble protecting the quarterback to start off fall camp in 2019.
"Context"
Not sure why you cant admit without any context of WHO gave up the sacks it's not that relevant. Do you think only the starters play in a scrimmage? I'm not saying you're wrong, but you absolutely are drawing conclusions on information without all the relevant context.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:18 am to ConeHawk
Magee is a mauler in the run game but pass pro has caused problems
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:20 am to thunderbird1100
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Not sure why you cant admit without any context of WHO gave up the sacks it's not that relevant. Do you think only the starters play in a scrimmage? I'm not saying you're wrong, but you absolutely are drawing conclusions on information without all the relevant context.
I'm not sure what makes you think things reset every offseason. They don't.
Previous results matter, and I'm drawing conclusions from more than just a scrimmage. I'm not sure why this bothers you so much.
Here's a piece of advice that many of you need to accept: People are allowed to have different opinions than you.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 9:22 am
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:28 am to RB10
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I'm not sure what makes you think things reset every offseason. They don't.
I'm not sure how many times I have to repeat myself, we hear you, dawg, I am specifically talking about the very 1st scrimmage of fall camp, all we heard was "5 sacks were given up", they didn't say who, or what lines did that. Do you agree or not agree the context behind that can make a big difference, ie:
"The 1st team OL gave up 4 of the 5 sacks"
is a bit different than
"The 1st team OL gave up 1 of the 5 sacks"
I'm not having a different "opinion" than you, I agree the OL is the biggest question mark heading into this season, I'm specifically talking about you drawing conclusions on what you specifically said, which was well we still suck because we gave up 5 sacks in the first scrimmage.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 9:29 am
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:29 am to thunderbird1100
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Do you think only the starters play in a scrimmage?
Don't expect an honest answer. Theyre just here for the melt.
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I thought the defensive line did very well today,” Orgeron said. "There were a lot of guys out on the offensive line of scrimmage that were not playing. Especially on the second team, a couple guys are hurt. So there were guys who don't normally play on the second team."
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:32 am to thunderbird1100
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I'm not sure how many times I have to repeat myself, we hear you, dawg, I am specifically talking about the very 1st scrimmage of fall camp, all we heard was "5 sacks were given up", they didn't say who, or what lines did that. Do you agree or not agree the context behind that can make a big difference, ie:
Well I'm not just talking about the 1st scrimmage. That's just the latest data point being used to evaluate the position group.
You're hung up because I pointed to the most recent results in a long string of results to come to a conclusion. That's your problem.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:35 am to RB10
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Well I'm not just talking about the 1st scrimmage.
Your original comment only talked about the 1st scrimmage, and you even gave some context which we know, which was some guys relevant to pass rush were out, and the RPO offense is supposed to limit sacks getting ball out quicker, but also failed to think what about the context that was on the offensive line, like Oregeron NOT saying who gave up the 5 sacks, or him saying a few guys were missing off the 2nd team OL.
Again, do you agree or not the context there is extremely relevant in knowing things like how many pass plays were called, who gave up the sacks, etc...I dont think anyone is worried about what a few walk ons did on the OL, but the starting OL performance would have been nice to know about and actually given context to the conclusion you continuously are coming to.
The problem here is you only want to argue 1 side with only those side's arguments instead of admitting all facts into the equation.
I'll assume if you still cant answer my question for a third or fourth time you are just admitting defeat there through ignoring it continuously.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 9:40 am
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:40 am to RB10
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Well I'm not just talking about the 1st scrimmage.
I hope not because that would be dumb
Btw: sacks in scrimmages are touches
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:40 am to thunderbird1100
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The problem here is you only want to argue 1 side instead of seeing the bigger picture of all the relevant information.
No. The problem here is most people don't want to believe the offensive line may hold LSU back again.
I don't have a problem believing it because I watched them finish last in the conference in 2018, and I take comments like "most improved unit" from head coaches with a huge grain of salt.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 9:42 am
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:44 am to RB10
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No. The problem here is most people don't want to believe the offensive line may hold LSU back again.
I';m literally right there with you saying it's a huge question mark, stop trying to pretend like you're fighting a battle no one sees an issue with.
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I don't have a problem believing it because I watched them finish last in the conference in 2018, and I take comments like "most improved unit" from head coaches with a huge grain of salt.
I guess since you still didn't answer my question for the umteenth time you are admitting that without the relevant information on WHO gave up the sacks coming to a conclusion on the 1st scrimmage is pretty dumb now on the OL pass blocking.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 9:45 am
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:45 am to RB10
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don't want to believe the offensive line may hold LSU back again.
Glass half full types. You can't logically discuss anything because"historically bad" is always the answer.
Veteran group, new offense, I'll bet on some improvement.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:46 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Glass half full types. You can't logically discuss anything because"historically bad" is always the answer.
Well, they did finish last in the conference.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:47 am to thunderbird1100
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I guess since you still didn't answer my question for the umteenth time you are admitting that without the relevant information on WHO gave up the sacks coming to a conclusion on the 1st scrimmage is pretty dumb now on the OL pass blocking.
Oh my bad. Was "I'm not using just the scrimmage stats" not clear enough for you?
Ok let me try again:
I
AM
NOT
LOOKING
AT
JUST
SCRIMMAGE
STATS
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:49 am to L S Usetheforce
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Having concern over the guard position isn’t my worry. It’s the tackle position.
Pretty much.
Guard seems solid, tackle is a question mark. Do think the offense will take pressure off the tackles though.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:50 am to RB10
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Oh my bad. Was "I'm not using just the scrimmage stats" not clear enough for you?
Your original post on the 5 sacks allowed only talked about the 1st scrimmage, you specifically mentioned the 1st scrimmage and only that and said the OL is still a huge issue based o nthat.
We all know about last year, everyone admits the OL sucked last year. We are talking about the scrimmage THIS year though and the context of the 5 sacks.
Again, why is so hard for you to admit WHO gave up the 5 sacks could vastly change a conclusion?
If it was only 0-1 by the 1st team OL are you saying that doesnt matter at all?
Sounds like you just made an assumption the 1st team OL gave up all the sacks and ran with it. I mean, it's possible, but it's also possible they played ok too, and 2nd team/walk ons gave up a handful of sacks, too. We dont know that, because the context of that information wasn't provided.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 9:52 am
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Guard seems solid, tackle is a question mark. Do think the offense will take pressure off the tackles though
I think Charles will rebound this season. I'm still concerned about Deculus at RT.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:52 am to fallguy_1978
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I think Charles will rebound this season. I'm still concerned about Deculus at RT.
The problems are at LG and RT, Charles will be good this year. We haven't figured out LG or RT to this point IMO.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:54 am to fallguy_1978
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I'm still concerned about Deculus at RT.
He looks lighter. Hopefully that shows in his footwork
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