re: Pro Football Focus Top 10 Coaches

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Legit question, why do you say this? Who all would you put above them and why?

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1. Obviously Dabo because only Kirby can match him with the hardware. He may be anti NIL/ portal but this was his first year not winning double digits games since 2010 and he’s done that with multiple QB’s. Can Lanning & DeBoer consistently win without having a 6th year senior starting QB and another who was a 4 year starter?
2. Kelly - has a NC game appearance and multiple playoff appearances. Has won 10+ games at 3 different power 5 schools.
3. Ryan Day - again has a NC game appearance, has made multiple playoff appearances with multiple QB’s. Outside of the 2020 Covid shorten season he’s won 11+ games every year.

[quote]Sonny Dykes is 89-72 as a head coach. DeBoer is 104-12. Surely you see the difference right?[/quote

Now takeout the meaningless high school level numbers. He’s 37-9

All of those are fine. My point is that I don’t really get why anyone gets mad about these rankings. The majority of these coaches can probably be grouped together and the order would just depend on what you value in a coach. What is a positive for one coach can be a negative for another and vice versa

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Now do all the guys who failed miserably in the SEC.

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Huh? There have been a bunch of guys that have failed in every conference.

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Nope. He didn’t. He was in the PAC-12 at Washington. Sure he had a few upsets but what top 25 coach hasn’t?

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I’m confused. Did he have talent on his teams or not?

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BK had multiple years of sustained success at P5 programs. Irrelevant comparison

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This was in response to you saying he isn’t a good “fit”

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Compare Sabans last six years with the previous six.

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He has 4 SEC championships in the last 6 years

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LSU fans simping for Bama are the worst. It’s okay to admit that big bad Saban is gone. Ge can’t hurt you anymore

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Are we supposed to pretend that the greatest coach of all time isn’t the greatest coach of all time?

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Deboer got the Bama bump. Way too early to place him this high...

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Exactly. Does anyone legitimately think he’d be ahead of Sark, Lanning or Norvell if Bama hired them?

I don't get all the hype with Lanning. Cristobal, who is a goofus, had basically the same record at Oregon while rebuilding from the mess Taggert left. Lanning took Cristobal's recruiting prowess and has lost 5 games in his two years there, and now has to do it without Bo Nix. Anytime Oregon played a really good team...loss. Lost 3 consecutive to DeBoer and UW. I mean, he could be the next Smart (unlikely) or he could be something that never really elevates Oregon past what they are now. It's not like Oregon football was in the dumps and Lanning just skyrocketed them to the top. They have been good for decades, save a few seasons here and there. To have him at #3 is absurd. I'd take BK all day over Lanning.

DeBoer is the intriguing one. He wins everywhere so he could be amazing at Bama if he keeps the talent rolling in and that's what is currently going on. I hope he falls flat on his face but nothing in his history suggests he will. And he is 3-0 against the almighty Lanning.

1. Kirby
2. Swinney
3. Day
4. Norvell
5. Deboer
6. Lanning
7. Sark
8. BK
9. Kiffin
10. Whittingham

1 and 2 are due to the prestige as of the last 8 years, even though Swinney is falling behind he still has rings.

After that I think it's the ability to consistently field a GREAT football team, and to over perform despite talent.

Truthfully, 3-10 are all really close and can change weekly. Just how I see it now.

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You are going to look stupid for shitting on deboer.

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interesting take, because I think DeBoer is going to fail at Alabama.

He's the hot name because of the NC game appearance, but I'm not sold on him. Not at all.

I've seen this so many times over the years. A coach has some talent on the roster that pans out, has a great year or two, and then gets a major head coaching gig. And utterly fails.

Curley Hallman ring a bell?

They are all great coaches. Drop their names down a stairwell and however they fall is as good of a ranking as this one.

Think about the guys not on the list:

Josh Heupel
Lincoln Riley
Mike Gundy
Bret Venebles
Lance Leipold
Luke Fickell
Chris Klieman
Mike Elko
Marcus Freeman
Jeff Brohm
Eli Drinkwitz
Willie Fritz

I think it's remarkable that I think this top 10 list is exactly right and you can only really quibble with the order.

Sure there are, you just don't value them. Which is fine, but pretending like there is no possible way or reason that someone would rather have DeBoer is just dumb imo.