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re: Prediction of SEC's 3 permanent opponents in football in a 3 perm. 6 rotating schedule

Posted on 8/21/22 at 4:48 pm to
Posted by Thorny
Montgomery, AL
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 8/21/22 at 4:48 pm to
Putting my marker down.

LSU's 3 permanent will be Texas A&M, Ole Miss, and Arkansas. The Arkansas game will move back to Thanksgiving weekend.

GEAUX TIGERS!
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36672 posts
Posted on 8/21/22 at 5:16 pm to
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LSU’s list is actually not that hard to predict. It will be Ole Miss, Texas A&M and either Alabama or Florida.

If LSU keeps Ole Miss, it will not have Arkansas or Miss. State. Top-8 teams will play two Top 8s and one Bottom 8.

The real question is whether LSU lands with Alabama or Florida.


It seems unlikely that Alabama and LSU remain permanent opponents in the theoretical three permanent and six rotating proposals.

Alabama will first be paired with Auburn and Tennessee. The third school will probably not be an elite program (to balance the schedules).

Florida would fit for LSU when paired with A&M and Ole Miss. Alabama might be paired with MSU or Vanderbilt in many proposals.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 8/21/22 at 5:21 pm to
Here's one option I like better overall:

Suppose they did the pods with only eight conference games to satisfy the bottom eight teams. I think that would work if you have your three fixed opponents in your pod + the four from your paired pod + one from the pod you will play next rotation.

To explain by demonstration. Assume LSU is in a pod with A&M, Ole Miss & MSU. If the other pods are:

NW: Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri
Central: Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
SE: Georgia, Florida, Auburn, South Carolina

Year 1&2 LSU schedule
Oklahoma
Texas
Arkansas
Missouri
A&M
Ole Miss
MSU
Alabama

Year 3&4
Alabama
Tennessee
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
A&M
Ole Miss
MSU
Florida

Year 5&6
Florida
Georgia
Auburn
South Carolina
A&M
Ole Miss
MSU
Oklahoma
Posted by clamdip
Rocky Mountain High
Member since Sep 2004
19016 posts
Posted on 8/21/22 at 5:22 pm to
Y'all keep thinking Tennessee is not tier 2 in this scenario Delly and others have laid out, but aren't they?

Look at the last 20 years and tell me the Vols are top 8 when adding in Texas and OU. Just how much weight do you want to give General Neyland's 40s and 50s teams?
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36672 posts
Posted on 8/21/22 at 5:27 pm to
I agree. But I believe Alabama and Tennessee will both argue Tennessee is a top tier program because of advantage and pride respectively
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 8/21/22 at 5:51 pm to
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That’s already been lost. It has also been made clear that A&M does not want to be in the same pod as UT, so I disregarded it. It won’t happen.

No one cares about Aggy’s sore feelings. Their Thanksgiving game is coming back.
Posted by clamdip
Rocky Mountain High
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 8/21/22 at 5:54 pm to
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I agree. But I believe Alabama and Tennessee will both argue Tennessee is a top tier program because of advantage and pride respectively

Agree on Bama.

But, Tennessee has had their teeth kicked in for two decades now. They'd be very happy to get two tier 2 permanents if they are stuck with Bama.
Posted by Ziggy52
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
198 posts
Posted on 8/21/22 at 6:33 pm to
Will not be Florida. Both schools been trying to quit playing each other for years.
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
5624 posts
Posted on 8/21/22 at 6:39 pm to
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Here's one option I like better overall:


Nobody cares what you like
The SEC already decided there are 2 options
3-6 and 1-9
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11867 posts
Posted on 8/21/22 at 6:50 pm to
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The 2-tier "system" for football scheduling simply will not work.

It’s not really a “system” as much as a compromise to get the lower-tier programs to buy off on a 9-game schedule.

Basically it’s (reportedly) an offer to give the lower-tier programs easier sets of permanent opponents. I sincerely doubt the SEC would ever publicly differentiate between “top 8” and “bottom 8” programs. You would just be able to figure it out based on the outcome.

It’s not about who has earned what in the SEC. It’s about the fact that the less successful programs might view a 9-game schedule as an obstacle for bowl eligibility. And most programs, in the absence of critical rivalry games, are going to lobby for the easiest group of permanent opponents that they can get. So it’s (again, reportedly) a carrot being offered to secure support from schools like Vandy, Mississippi State, Mizzou, etc.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11867 posts
Posted on 8/21/22 at 6:50 pm to
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The SEC already decided there are 2 options
3-6 and 1-9

I think you mean 3-6 and 1-7.
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
5624 posts
Posted on 8/21/22 at 6:57 pm to
Actually meant 1-8
Posted by Herodijontiger
Myrtle Beach S.C.
Member since Apr 2021
1204 posts
Posted on 8/21/22 at 7:28 pm to
Bama will get Vandy, Miss. St., S.Carolina.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11867 posts
Posted on 8/21/22 at 7:28 pm to
Everything I have read was that it was either going to be a 3+6 or 1+7. Either option lets you play a home & away with the entire conference every 4 years, while 3+6 preserves more traditional rivalries.

I haven’t really seen 1+8 mentioned much as a serious option.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36672 posts
Posted on 8/21/22 at 8:13 pm to
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Everything I have read was that it was either going to be a 3+6 or 1+7. Either option lets you play a home & away with the entire conference every 4 years, while 3+6 preserves more traditional rivalries.

I haven’t really seen 1+8 mentioned much as a serious option


1-8 wouldn't make logistical sense. As you pointed out 1-7 and 3-6 are both designed to rotate through the entire conference (home and away) in four years.

There are still complications because of variations in schedule strength but 1-7 and 3-6 have fewer problems than the anything other than the pods (which I think would be better overall).
Posted by LSUSportsFan2000
In LSU sporting Venues
Member since Apr 2022
521 posts
Posted on 8/21/22 at 9:02 pm to
Tennessee can be stuck with Alabama all they want but they still suck when in 2018 Vanderbilt beats them 38-13.
Posted by lsuman25
Erwinville
Member since Aug 2013
42832 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 11:14 pm to
We need Tenneesee to get good to be a hard game for Alabama.
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 11:16 pm
Posted by LSUSportsFan2000
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Member since Apr 2022
521 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 11:17 pm to
Or A Sabanless Alabama and get back to the Shula Days
Posted by CoyoteSong
Colorado
Member since Aug 2021
2603 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 11:19 pm to
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