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re: Predicted fall out from the USA Today story

Posted on 11/17/20 at 9:12 pm to
Posted by 610man
Louisiana
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Posted on 11/17/20 at 9:12 pm to
Gotcha
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11184 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 9:16 pm to
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Nothing really except that public pressure will want a big prize. Like someone else said, Verge Ausberry doesn’t move the needle, Ed does.

Not saying it’s right or fair but it’s reality.

I'm not sure this story is as big as you think it is. I'm sure y'all are getting pounded with it locally, but up here in Tennessee I don't hear anything about it.

Baylor, on the other hand, was everywhere. Penn State was everywhere.

It's possible I'm just not paying attention outside of this message board, though
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
24763 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 9:18 pm to
I agree with what you've posted. And BTW, I appreciate the fact that you're contributing something of substance to the conversation.

Personally, I think O goes down. If this happens anytime prior to last summer (USA and Yahoo stories), I think O would have survived. However, with the SJW gains made in recent months combined with where we are as a society, I look for ESPN to get involved soon.

When that happens, they will pressure LSU into canceling O.
Posted by BrerTiger
Valley of the Long Grey Cloud
Member since Sep 2011
21651 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 9:27 pm to
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King Alexander will be forced to resign from Oregon State.


I doubt this unless they find something damning involving him.

Everything else sounds about right.

Coach O may be in deep trouble if they can prove he sat on anything.
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
12372 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 9:29 pm to
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public pressure

6 people on Twitter and Glen Gibbletyboo?
Posted by Uncs
Member since Aug 2008
3080 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 9:29 pm to
Nothing, LSU does a march to show how serious they take it and then move a long,

TAF Raises their fees 50% out of this
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
Fulshear TX
Member since Jan 2004
8107 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 9:41 pm to
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Nothing really except that public pressure will want a big prize. Like someone else said, Verge Ausberry doesn’t move the needle, Ed does.


Yep. The media doesn’t like it when the pound of flesh doesn’t meet their criteria. Look at the Astros situation. (yes I know they were guilty). Right or wrong, MLB did what they did. Wasn’t enough for the media. Luhnow/Hinch were a big deal to be sure but not big enough. During spring training, there was at least one article a day slamming Manfred, demanding player suspensions and/or stripping the title. If COVID had not hit, I’m not so sure Manfred doesn’t reverse course and do just that. They were on his arse big time.

Look for the same with Orgeron. The stupid Yahoo hag wanted him gone TODAY.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
36278 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 9:46 pm to
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Yep. The media doesn’t like it when the pound of flesh doesn’t meet their criteria. Look at the Astros situation. (yes I know they were guilty). Right or wrong, MLB did what they did. Wasn’t enough for the media. Luhnow/Hinch were a big deal to be sure but not big enough. During spring training, there was at least one article a day slamming Manfred, demanding player suspensions and/or stripping the title. If COVID had not hit, I’m not so sure Manfred doesn’t reverse course and do just that. They were on his arse big time.

Look for the same with Orgeron. The stupid Yahoo hag wanted him gone TODAY.





The media may very well make this situation so toxic that orgeron won’t have the ability to recruit
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
Fulshear TX
Member since Jan 2004
8107 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 9:52 pm to
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The media may very well make this situation so toxic that orgeron won’t have the ability to recruit


Yes. Make no mistake, it’s the program they’re after.

Just to say, if O or whoever did something they shouldn’t have, they should get what is coming. The premise I’m going with here is even if he didn’t, they’re coming after him anyway.
This post was edited on 11/17/20 at 9:57 pm
Posted by tigre704
Member since Nov 2018
1840 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 10:18 pm to
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The premise I’m going with here is even if he didn’t, they’re coming after him anyway.



Straight delusion.
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
Fulshear TX
Member since Jan 2004
8107 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 10:29 pm to
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Straight delusion.


Why? I’m not saying it’s right or that I agree. I hope you’re right. I’m just saying I can see the whole “even if he didn’t know, he SHOULD have known” thing being pushed. As someone said earlier, these aren’t typical times and we’ve seen the media push the narratives they want. Again, I cite the Yahoo thing where the writer is already wanting O fired without letting everything play out. There will be plenty more of that coming and from bigger outlets than Yahoo.

This post was edited on 11/17/20 at 10:41 pm
Posted by tigre704
Member since Nov 2018
1840 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 10:40 pm to
I might have misread your comment as outright suggesting a media plot or conspiracy against LSU. If that's not what you're saying then apologies.



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I'm just saying I can see the whole "even if he didn't know, he SHOULD have known"



They will do that, and I have no problem with it. If the stuff about Guice and Davis is true and Orgeron was completely oblivious to it, then he doesn't have control of his program. If he knew about it and knew LSU was not investigating throughly then he should've stepped up. After Baylor and Penn State no head coach is going to receive the benefit of the doubt for something like this. Feigning ignorance isn't a sufficient answer.


We'll know once the investigation is over. Orgeron is far from the most guilty person in this story, but the unfortunate truth is that he will be at the center of this. That's why you don't let something like this happen in the first place.
This post was edited on 11/17/20 at 10:43 pm
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12560 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 10:48 pm to
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Verge Ausberry is gone. Deleted his texts with Drake Davis, he’s done.

Something I wanted to bring up regarding the stuff with Verge:

The USA Today article states the following:
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USA TODAY requested copies of all text messages sent and received by Ausberry over a weeklong period at that time. LSU policies require employees to retain records of all correspondence for at least five years, but the university said Ausberry checked his phone and found no messages.

It does NOT, however, state outright that Verge deleted the text messages without informing anybody about them. Note that the text messages in question were from April 14, 2018. From that point forward, things escalated pretty quickly and a Title IX report was filed less than two weeks later, although it appears there was another incident in that time frame.

Maybe Verge did keep it to himself. But keep in mind that this same article alleges that the university took no actions to discipline Tae Provens after his arrest.. without mentioning the fact that he had already stopped participating in team activities before the arrest and left school shortly thereafter. The article does not attempt to provide any clarity on how, exactly, LSU can discipline someone under Title IX when they are no longer attending the school.

I also question whether the university policy referenced (keeping all communications for 5 years) applies to someone’s personal cell phone?

Lastly, the article seemingly goes out of its way to not highlight the content of those text messages. While the Guice messages pop up in a cute little animated window, the Ausberry text messages are relegated to a clipping of the redacted police report. Here’s the actual content:
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Davis: This [redacted] girl is crazy

Ausberry: Who is that? The [redacted] player?

Davis: Yes

Ausberry: What happened?

Davis: She’s trying to go to compliance for me hitting her, she’s trying to get me kick off the team. I went over there to get my stuff. She got mad that I wouldn’t talk to her. She started to hit me. And I hit her in the stomach. (which is not good) and I walked out... then we were out. She starts punching (I didn’t touch her) me in the bar and so I got her kicked out. And she tries to call the police at the bag.

Now because I don’t want to be with her. She’s trying to talk now... that happened like two weeks okay.

Now don’t get me wrong, Verge may very well be done because of this incident. But it’s incredibly fricking disingenuous for USA Today to hide the details of the text message in the article while boiling it down to “Davis admitted punching her to Verge Ausberry” and not even mentioning his allegation that she hit him first.
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
Fulshear TX
Member since Jan 2004
8107 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 10:58 pm to
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I might have misread your comment as outright suggesting a media plot or conspiracy against LSU. If that's not what you're saying then apologies.


No worries...no I’m not saying a straight up conspiracy. But now that this has come to light, I do think there will be a media contingent that will feel that nothing short of bringing the program down will be justice. If the final verdict is a couple of non major figures in the LSU ath dept lose their jobs, the media will freak and as Adam said, they could severely hamper recruiting.

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but the unfortunate truth is that he will be at the center of this. That's why you don't let something like this happen in the first place.


Agreed
This post was edited on 11/17/20 at 11:01 pm
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
168339 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 10:59 pm to
If Mickey is out who is the next wr coach?

We’ll hear some hot rumors only to be let down by another dinosaur hire or some unheard of GA getting the job.
Posted by NoGeaux
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
5594 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 11:00 pm to
Dude! Really. This bitch hit me first defense?

And if Verge handled it correctly why would LSU not just say that?

Come on.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12560 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 11:13 pm to
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Dude! Really. This bitch hit me first defense?

Read my post again. Nowhere did I say that it excused Davis. My point was that the article goes out of its way to say “he admitted punching her to Verge Ausberry in a text message” while hiding the context of that text message and obscuring the timeline that shows a Title IX investigation was opened less than two weeks later.
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And if Verge handled it correctly why would LSU not just say that?

Come on.

Maybe they are holding true to a policy of not discussing the internals of Title IX investigations to the media? Or maybe Verge covered it up and they’re all guilty as hell. Personally, I find it hard to believe that a high level administrator would get a text message from a player saying he punched his girlfriend and delete it without telling anybody. If that’s what happened, he needs to go. But I don’t know whether that’s true, and neither does USA Today.
Posted by NoGeaux
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
5594 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 11:25 pm to
So it’s ok to not say Verge handled it properly but then say there were no texts on his phone?
Posted by nwallb2
Member since Jun 2018
919 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 11:34 pm to
LINK

Who could they be?
This post was edited on 11/17/20 at 11:35 pm
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12560 posts
Posted on 11/17/20 at 11:35 pm to
They were responding to a records request by USA Today.
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USA TODAY requested copies of all text messages sent and received by Ausberry over a weeklong period at that time.

They have to respond to a public records request somehow.
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