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re: Please stop bringing up the 90s to defend mediocre seasons
Posted on 11/20/09 at 12:05 pm to ZackMorrisPhone
Posted on 11/20/09 at 12:05 pm to ZackMorrisPhone
The letdown of this LSU team is not the fact that they aren't winning the SEC or National Title this year.
It's that offense looks like a chinese firedrill, the players look confused, the coaches act like there's no such thing as in-game adjustments, and even though the defense has been playing well at times they look like high school athletes playing against college athletes.
In a lot of ways, some of those horrible and/or medicore 90's teams looked more like the LSU we all grew up than this crap we've been seeing this year.
That is the letdown as far as I'm concerned.
It's that offense looks like a chinese firedrill, the players look confused, the coaches act like there's no such thing as in-game adjustments, and even though the defense has been playing well at times they look like high school athletes playing against college athletes.
In a lot of ways, some of those horrible and/or medicore 90's teams looked more like the LSU we all grew up than this crap we've been seeing this year.
That is the letdown as far as I'm concerned.
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Posted on 11/20/09 at 12:06 pm to Paul_LSU_passion
It is mediocre.
Because 4 years from now, we won't be celebrating the 10 win season we had 4 years ago. We won't be flaunting our Cotton Bowl win over Nebraska.
People remember championships.
SEC West Championships.
SEC Championships.
National Championships.
Given what this program has accomplished the past 8 years, you would think our fans would expect better than what we've been subjected to for back to back seasons - Mediocre play, losses to "real" teams, mediocre play, and...mediocre play.
But hey, for some of you, maybe that floats your boat. I personally don't enjoy being second tier to the likes of Alabama.
But some of you apparently aren't troubled by the fact that they have officially surpassed us as the dominant team in the SEC West, as well as replacing us as a power on the national scale.
Alabama has become the team LSU was from 2002 - 2006 - Respected, feared, gritty, tough in the trenches...a force. That was LSU. That is now Alabama.
We've been reduced to a soft team that gets zero respect, plays horribly and consistently underperforms given the talent, as well as being mocked and disrespected by the national media.
Because 4 years from now, we won't be celebrating the 10 win season we had 4 years ago. We won't be flaunting our Cotton Bowl win over Nebraska.
People remember championships.
SEC West Championships.
SEC Championships.
National Championships.
Given what this program has accomplished the past 8 years, you would think our fans would expect better than what we've been subjected to for back to back seasons - Mediocre play, losses to "real" teams, mediocre play, and...mediocre play.
But hey, for some of you, maybe that floats your boat. I personally don't enjoy being second tier to the likes of Alabama.
But some of you apparently aren't troubled by the fact that they have officially surpassed us as the dominant team in the SEC West, as well as replacing us as a power on the national scale.
Alabama has become the team LSU was from 2002 - 2006 - Respected, feared, gritty, tough in the trenches...a force. That was LSU. That is now Alabama.
We've been reduced to a soft team that gets zero respect, plays horribly and consistently underperforms given the talent, as well as being mocked and disrespected by the national media.
This post was edited on 11/20/09 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 11/20/09 at 12:07 pm to ZackMorrisPhone
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I am not old enough to fully remember the "bad" years with Curly and Dinardo
Our cultures working definition of a "moron" is someone who joins a discussion as if they have all the facts but lacks said facts and runs his mouth anyway. You fit that definition perfectly! You lack a little something we call "context". If all you have ever know is LSU beginning with the Saban era then your view of LSU football is misinformed. I would say you haven't even paid attention for many of the season this past decade because 8-2 with 2 to go would have been considered on par or better for the team we had on the field. History is important. You should learn this lesson.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 12:07 pm to Polar Bear
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Because 4 years from now, we won't be celebrating the 10 win season we had 4 years ago
So basically you're saying we wont win shite for the next four years.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 12:10 pm to Choctaw
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So basically you're saying we wont win shite for the next four years.
It was an example.
No one cares how many wins Texas had in 2006. No one cares who Penn State beat in their New Years Day bowl 3 years ago.
Championships matter. Championships define programs.
Alabama is currently a championship caliber team. They've won the West back to back, and this year, they have a damn solid shot at winning the SEC Championship, and landing a slot in the National Title.
Meanwhile, LSU fans will be content playing in the Cotton and Chick Fil A bowl year in and year out, saying that, hey, it's ok, we won the National Title in 2007.
Except that one day, they'll wake up and realize that the national title in 2007 was 12 years ago, and the team hasn't done anything since.
This post was edited on 11/20/09 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 11/20/09 at 12:11 pm to Polar Bear
What does you crying about it accomplish? We were good enough to beat Bama. I don't see how you didn't come to that conclusion watching the game. Anyway, be pissed off. IDGAF. I sit around tons of folks like you in the games. It just makes me want to laugh that you can't find pleasure in supporting your team. It's a game. Have fun, or do something else with your time.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 12:13 pm to Polar Bear
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Alabama is currently a championship caliber team.
ahhh there it is, the qualifier
but you can't say that alabama is a championship team because they haven't won anything. they were championship caliber last year too until they lost two straight to end the season
so you are left with speculation
Posted on 11/20/09 at 12:14 pm to Polar Bear
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Alabama is currently a championship caliber team. They've won the West back to back, and this year, they have a damn solid shot at winning the SEC Championship, and landing a slot in the National Title.
You're correct...this is their year. Next year could be LSU's. We had a shot late in the season to get in it and we didnt make it. We move on and try to finish the best we can. You cant make the Championship game every year...and to expect it is just dumb...but it in no way makes a season a failure if you don't make it.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 12:20 pm to Polar Bear
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But hey, for some of you, maybe that floats your boat. I personally don't enjoy being second tier to the likes of Alabama.
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Championships matter. Championships define programs.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 12:20 pm to ZackMorrisPhone
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Quit accepting the illiterate cow bowl/cotton bowl/etc
i don't know what this means.
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I am not old enough to fully remember the "bad" years with Curly and Dinardo, but it has absolutely nothing at all to do with what happens now.
I am. And they give some perspective to what is going on now. It is a lot easier to appreciate an average season if you've live through below average seasons.
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Just because we had bad years, and loved the fact that we even got to play in a bowl, does not mean we have to settle for mediocrity now.
i agree, but what is going on today is not mediocrity--again, perspective.
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And no, this younger generation is not made up of bandwagon fans that hopped o after the 2003 season.
i'm not so sure but the younger generation has experienced an extraordinary level of success which the averaged age fan has not.
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If you can't acknowledge the fact that LSU has won TWO championships in the past few years and is now an elite program (yes, we are an elite college football program), then go cheer for a school that settles for a ho-hum bowl every year. Anything less than SEC championships is a let down season.
i can not only acknowledge that but revel in it. yes, we are elite. so was fla st. so was ND. there are ebbs and flows in every program. the point is not to think you're always going to be at the pinnacle so that you can actually enjoy a year that does not yield a SEC championship.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 12:20 pm to Choctaw
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You're correct...this is their year. Next year could be LSU's. We had a shot late in the season to get in it and we didnt make it. We move on and try to finish the best we can. You cant make the Championship game every year...and to expect it is just dumb...but it in no way makes a season a failure if you don't make it.
Again, its how they are losing. It makes people upset to see us get manhandled on offense against the good teams. It makes people more upset to know that LSU would have lost to MSU and likely LaTech if not for superior athletes and depth. LSU was painfully outcoached in both of those games.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 12:21 pm to MemphisJerk
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I'm personally happy where the record is, its just hard to feel really good about this team when we get beat soundly by the good teams and struggle to beat many of the really bad ones
This rt here makes me believe most of yall dont even watch the games. Since the sec is so shitty then maybe we are not a good team. No we have not been beaten soundly by any time this season, and no dont give me that uf bullshite cus lesser teams played better against us then they did.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 12:22 pm to Polar Bear
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I personally don't enjoy being second tier to the likes of Alabama.
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But some of you apparently aren't troubled by the fact that they have officially surpassed us as the dominant team in the SEC West, as well as replacing us as a power on the national scale.
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Alabama has become the team LSU was from 2002 - 2006 - Respected, feared, gritty, tough in the trenches...a force. That was LSU. That is now Alabama.
Exactly.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 12:26 pm to Polar Bear
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Alabama has become the team LSU was from 2002 - 2006 - Respected, feared, gritty, tough in the trenches...a force. That was LSU. That is now Alabama.
Did you watch the '02 and '04 seasons? I wouldn't exactly describe them this way.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 12:29 pm to supatigah
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once again what is mediocre about being 8-2 and #10 in the country?
Well, let's see....
LSU beat Vandy, ULL, Miss St, Tulane and La Tech.
Five of the eight wins were against teams that other teams seek out for Homecoming games.
LSU beat Wash, Ga, and Aub.
These are average, to above-average, teams.
LSU lost to Fla and Ala.
These are elite teams.
So LSU has proven to be above average this season. No better.
LSU is the underdog at Ole Miss. If those in the know are correct and LSU loses to Ole Miss, then LSU will be 3-3 against teams that don't absolutely blow - and just 2-3 against bowl-eligible teams.
I'd say that pretty much describes mediocre.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 12:48 pm to ZackMorrisPhone
Here we go again. Another thinly veiled indictment of Les Miles and his coaching abilities.
Then you have no perspective to speak from. I was in the stands the night Southern Miss handed us or asses (along with many other similar games). I know what a mediocre LSU team looks like. This team is not mediocre or poorly coached.
Textbook definition of "unrealistic expectations." I'll take, for instance, Steve Spurrier in his heyday at Florida. 1 national title and 6 SEC championship in 13 years. This LSU program under Miles can accomplish that. But even the great Ol' Ball Coach couldn't win the SEC every year. Were his teams a letdown or underachievers? I guess he sucks too then. And we'll probably never see a run like that in the SEC ever again, due to the parity in talent and the top flight coaches every team has now.
I'll take 10 win seasons, top 5 finishes, an SEC championship every couple of years...and throw in a MNC once in awhile. This program is set up to do just that. WTF is wrong with people that they can't see that?
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I am not old enough to fully remember the "bad" years with Curly and Dinardo
Then you have no perspective to speak from. I was in the stands the night Southern Miss handed us or asses (along with many other similar games). I know what a mediocre LSU team looks like. This team is not mediocre or poorly coached.
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Anything less than SEC championships is a let down season.
Textbook definition of "unrealistic expectations." I'll take, for instance, Steve Spurrier in his heyday at Florida. 1 national title and 6 SEC championship in 13 years. This LSU program under Miles can accomplish that. But even the great Ol' Ball Coach couldn't win the SEC every year. Were his teams a letdown or underachievers? I guess he sucks too then. And we'll probably never see a run like that in the SEC ever again, due to the parity in talent and the top flight coaches every team has now.
I'll take 10 win seasons, top 5 finishes, an SEC championship every couple of years...and throw in a MNC once in awhile. This program is set up to do just that. WTF is wrong with people that they can't see that?
Posted on 11/20/09 at 12:50 pm to ZackMorrisPhone
[quote]Quit accepting the illiterate cow bowl/cotton bowl/etc. just because they are bowls we would have loved to go to ~20 years ago. I am not old enough to fully remember the "bad" years with Curly and Dinardo, but it has absolutely nothing at all to do with what happens now.
Then you have no perspective
Just because we had bad years, and loved the fact that we even got to play in a bowl, does not mean we have to settle for mediocrity now. And no, this younger generation is not made up of bandwagon fans that hopped o after the 2003 season.
This post proves otherwise, sonnyboy.
If you can't acknowledge the fact that LSU has won TWO championships in the past few years and is now an elite program (yes, we are an elite college football program), then go cheer for a school that settles for a ho-hum bowl every year. Anything less than SEC championships is a let down season
Says a kid with zero perspective or knowledge of football and it's VERY cyclical nature.
Then you have no perspective
Just because we had bad years, and loved the fact that we even got to play in a bowl, does not mean we have to settle for mediocrity now. And no, this younger generation is not made up of bandwagon fans that hopped o after the 2003 season.
This post proves otherwise, sonnyboy.
If you can't acknowledge the fact that LSU has won TWO championships in the past few years and is now an elite program (yes, we are an elite college football program), then go cheer for a school that settles for a ho-hum bowl every year. Anything less than SEC championships is a let down season
Says a kid with zero perspective or knowledge of football and it's VERY cyclical nature.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 12:51 pm to TX Tiger
I've been around for the 90s, I'd rather not go back to that. Having Southern fans make fun of you, just disgusting. Can LSU play only the 8 conference games? That way there is a bye in between each week and Les can get the team up.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 12:51 pm to Polar Bear
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Alabama is currently a championship caliber team.
Because they MAY win one this year? Name the last time they won a championship.Posted on 11/20/09 at 12:52 pm to TX Tiger
quote:This is the perfect example of a glass half empty mentality. Instead of assuming LSU is "average this season No better", let's assume they are just a notch below the 2 best teams in the country. Then?
I'd say that pretty much describes mediocre.
Well, let's see....
LSU would beat Vandy, ULL, Miss St, Tulane and La Tech because they are teams that other teams seek out for Homecoming games.
LSU would beat Wash, Ga, and Aub because they are average, to above-average, teams.
LSU would lose close games to Fla and Ala because they are the two best teams in the country.
So this could also describe an elite team in a somewhat down year who was just not quite great enough to beat the two best teams in the country. All depends on your perspective I guess but we'll definitely find out more in the next two weeks because...
LSU is the underdog at Ole Miss. If those in the know are wrong and LSU beats Ole Miss, then LSU will be 4-2 against teams that don't absolutely blow - and 3-2 against bowl-eligible teams.
We'll see.. For the record, I'm very concerned about the game tomorrow because Nutt has had Miles' number in recent years, but I'm not prepared to give the game to Ole Miss or give up on this season just yet. Let's see how things play out the next two weeks before we decide if LSU is just mediocre.
This post was edited on 11/20/09 at 12:56 pm
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