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Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:19 am to ell_13
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It’s understandable. I’m simply separating the two. You can not want Casey because of the PR problem it causes due to the Luke situation
I will admit that the reason I don’t want Casey as the coach is because of this. It has nothing to do with anything on the field. LSU has been through enough by their own doing why bring in someone else that may bring more baggage.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:19 am to southernelite
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Why are you so obsessed with defending this?
It’s just a story I studied when it broke and have been bothered by ever since. It reeks of a kid getting caught up in a twisted custody battle and then pressured by prosecutors, family, and his own attorney to plead guilty. Then the state didn’t live up to its end of the plea deal.
Additionally even if the worst is true, I distinctly remember from abnormal psych that these kinds of deviant behaviors in juveniles are highly responsive to intervention unlike in adults.
So TLDR circumstantial evidence (which is all there is) says he probably didn’t do it, but even if he did he underwent two years of intensive cognitive-behavioral therapy while still in neurodevelopment. Therefore I feel that Casey, with those two pieces of information, made a fully justifiable decision.
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 8:21 am
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:22 am to ForeverEllisHugh
Why, on God's green earth, would LSU hire a RETIRED baseball coach? Especially this one?
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:23 am to ell_13
That doesnt specify how long he would be in prison if found guilty
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:24 am to ell_13
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False. It was to stop when he turned 21 according to Washington Law.
So... the age of majority is 21 now?
quote:
Fine. Call it context. Either way, you’re choosing to ignore what happened leading up to his plea and why, regardless of his innocence, his parents felt it was the best decision at the time. A decision they regret
No, I’m choosing to ignore the self-serving information provided by Hemlich and his family.
Funny how he’s this amazing kid. Scholar athlete. Church-goer. Just a good ole all American boy. Yet there was apparently enough evidence against him that, despite being in juvenile court, he was encouraged to take a plea.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:27 am to nola000
What always made me so uncomfortable about his situation is I know I would have advised my own son to take the plea deal in that situation. Going to court was far too risky, and given that the details of the case were never supposed to be public, there was little long term risk with taking the deal. My heart breaks for him and his parents if he is innocent.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:32 am to logjamming
quote:There wasnt any evidence, thats the problem
Yet there was apparently enough evidence against him that,
The charges were brought months after the apparent incidents, so there was no evidence of rape or any other molestation available. It was going to be the lawyer for the girl saying he did it, vs him saying he didnt, and emotional adults like we see on this site making their decisions based only on that....
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 8:32 am
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:32 am to logjamming
quote:I don’t know what you mean by this. I’m telling you that he doesn’t have to register as a sex offender. He took the plea with the understanding that when he turned twenty one he would never have to register again and the documents would be sealed forever. It would be as if it never happened. Even to an innocent person that seems better than the chance of being found guilty.
So... the age of majority is 21 now?
quote:Enough evidence being the mom’s word against his. That’s literally it. Even the mom admitted the girl remembers very little for the alleged encounter and would likely give vague testimony. And yes, even with so little evidence, he still stood the chance of being found guilty by a judge. Luke’s parents also made the decision to keep the girl out of court and in the custody of their other son.
Funny how he’s this amazing kid. Scholar athlete. Church-goer. Just a good ole all American boy. Yet there was apparently enough evidence against him that, despite being in juvenile court, he was encouraged to take a plea.
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 8:46 am
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:35 am to lsupride87
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It was going to be the lawyer for the girl saying he did it, vs him saying he didnt, and emotional adults like we see on this site making their decisions based only on that.
You do know juvenile court doesn’t involve hurries, right ?
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:36 am to logjamming
You think a judge can’t make an emotional decision?
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:37 am to logjamming
quote:Emotional adult* then
You do know juvenile court doesn’t involve hurries, right ?
Its terrifying going into court knowing there is no evidence you can present to show you didnt do it. Thats why innocent people take pleas all the time in he said/she said cases
There is literally a law enforcement officer in here telling you this
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 8:38 am
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:37 am to logjamming
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Yet there was apparently enough evidence against him
The funny thing is there really wasn't....the victim couldn't remember what happened which would have made for an interesting time on the stand with a real defense attorney.
The mother changed the time line of the incident 3 different times and changed the numbers of incidents twice.
The mother reported to her ex-husband and didn't report to the police.
The mother had just been through a messy divorce with his brother (her ex) and more recently had just lost custody rights to the daughter (victim).
The accused never took the chance to get a real defense attorney for this type of case because his family didn't want to put their daughter/granddaughter through the issue/stress of a trial.
Part of the deal with this type of plea in Washington is that your juvenile record is sealed from the day it occurs....5 years after the trial it is completely sealed as in basically expunged and no one knows about it. This means at 17 he had a completely clean record (which happened by the way.....as far as the state of Washington is concerned today no crime ever happened). An OSU slanted paper leaked the new when they found out about it through his supposed "failure to register" which was actually a mistake made by the Oregon officials....there was no burden for him to register at the time because he was not an Oregon resident.
If you look at it from all of those sides and don't have any doubts about his guilt well then I'm not sure what to tell you.
ETA This was basically a hearsay case.....the fact that juvenile cases are decided by the judge and not a jury in Washington was problematic for him, but I think had he gotten advice from a real defense attorney for these types of cases he would have been advised not to plea and chance the trial. That probably would have ruined his neice, his parent's granddaughter, and his brother's daughter for the rest of her life....so I can understand why he agreed not to do it.
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 8:41 am
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:39 am to LSU316
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he victim couldn't remember what happened
The mother changed the time line of the incident 3 different times and changed the numbers of incidents twice.
The mother reported to her ex-husband and didn't report to the police.
The mother had just been through a messy divorce with his brother (her ex) and more recently had just lost custody rights to the daughter (victim).
The accused never took the chance to get a real defense attorney for this type of case because his family didn't want to put their daughter/granddaughter through the issue/stress of a trial.
quote:You think that guy or the rest of the mob read any of that?
If you look at it
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 8:40 am
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:39 am to ForeverEllisHugh
So this is where our fan base has sunk to…analyzing a pedo’s actions trying to find a crack in the charges to defend him, so we can hire the head coach that played him.
This is so unbecoming of LSU and LSU fans.
This is so unbecoming of LSU and LSU fans.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:40 am to The Pirate King
quote:No
So this is where our fan base has sunk to…analyzing a pedo’s actions trying to find a crack in the charges to defend him, so we can hire the head coach that played him.
Our fans dont want a coach so instead they are hiding behind a plea deal a kid took years before he met a coach that didnt even know about the deal
Thats where they have sunk too. Tenner like fanbase
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:41 am to The Pirate King
quote:Also, your favorite coach on campus you love on here daily admitted to beating the shite out of women in the court of law
The Pirate King
So you might want to trade in your high horse regardless
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:41 am to The Pirate King
Well you got that completely wrong but par for the course for you, PK.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:44 am to The Pirate King
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analyzing a pedo’s actions trying to find a crack in the charges to defend him
You can read about this type of shite all over the internet if you want where people were accused of crimes like this because of scorned adults. Often the accused had nothing to do with the scorn other than being associated with the family. Often times these folks took pleas to spare their family the anguish of a trial.
Also take a look at the day care sex abuse hysteria from the 80s-90s....most of it was proven wrong many year later after innocent people went to jail for decades simply because people wanted money.
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 8:45 am
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:45 am to ell_13
Anyone that wants Casey needs to ask themselves if this is the type of conversation they want to have as long as he's the coach here.
I don't want Casey.
I don't want a burnout just looking to coast for a pay day. And I definitely don't want to parse the details of washington state law and child molestation in a baseball conversation.
It's absurd that Casey is even a consideration, really.
I don't want Casey.
I don't want a burnout just looking to coast for a pay day. And I definitely don't want to parse the details of washington state law and child molestation in a baseball conversation.
It's absurd that Casey is even a consideration, really.
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