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Posted on 6/10/21 at 7:44 am to Magician2
Oh that’s absolutely the worst part of it. I don’t want Casey here for multiple reasons and it has nothing to do with PR.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 7:45 am to ForeverEllisHugh
The mlb has plenty of domestic abusers. Just another pro organization that’s full of BS
Posted on 6/10/21 at 7:49 am to lsupride87
quote:He pleaded guilty to one count of felony child molestation. Now go ahead and tell me how it was all fabricated by a sister in law.
Tell me the facts
Posted on 6/10/21 at 7:50 am to ForeverEllisHugh
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It’s very likely LH didn’t do anything and this was a sick custody battle ploy coupled with an overzealous prosecutor and shoddy legal advice.
He pled guilty. Also, he wasn’t being charged as an adult—this isn’t a case of an “overzealous prosecutor” trying to lock the kid up for 50 years.
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Even if he did, he was also a kid at the time and received two years of intensive treatment with an impartial mental health professional who declared him to be virtually zero risk
Well that’s certainly one way to excuse a child molester. I imagine he wasn’t a threat to anyone on the team or OSU’s campus—they aren’t children.
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Since he was himself a kid, the record of his plea deal was sealed and should never have been made public; it only became known through a clerical error and a questionable journalistic decision by a Duck-friendly paper
He was a teenager. His family member wasn’t even in the first grade. This isn’t some high school kid copping a feel of his class mate at a party.
Also, who cares HOW the information got out. The issue is that this kid is a convicted sex offender (not alleged, not rumored, but convicted) and Casey looked the other way to win some ball games.
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Casey and the OSU team were aware of the situation and after considering all available information gave the young man a chance. It has now been 9 years since the plea deal and he has had no further legal troubles, so far vindicating said decision.
Good for them. But this is exactly why LSU is in the middle of a dozen or so lawsuits—its coaches and admins apparently thought they could judge for themselves whether an athlete posed a risk to the community.
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 7:52 am
Posted on 6/10/21 at 7:53 am to Magician2
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I can't believe nobody else is remotely freaking out that not only if Casey is hired that Cain would remain on staff and be groomed as the next head coach.
I don’t believe this for one second
Posted on 6/10/21 at 7:54 am to Jake88
quote:Youve been told this happens often even for people who are innocence which he maintains. Does that give you any doubt whatsoever that he actually did it?
He pleaded guilty to one count of felony child molestation. Now go ahead and tell me how it was all fabricated by a sister in law.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 7:55 am to Jake88
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He pleaded guilty to one count of felony child molestation. Now go ahead and tell me how it was all fabricated by a sister in law.
What if he was facing charges that would have him in prison for 20 years, or he could take the plea deal to have probation and his records completely sealed for life?
Would you risk the 20 years in prison even if innocent? Is our legal system perfect?
Posted on 6/10/21 at 7:58 am to Jake88
quote:correct
He pleaded guilty to one count of felony child molestation
and he also said he didnt do it
I would say the heavy majority of parents would have forced their 15 year olds to take the plea
Zero evidence in the case, it was going to be a lawyer for the state saying he raped her, and heimlich saying he didnt. Not many smart people are going to roll that dice
Posted on 6/10/21 at 7:58 am to logjamming
quote:His plea was through the advice of a lawyer who knew he had very little chance of winning even with no evidence and with the understanding that, because he was a minor, this could (and should have) all go away without any effect on his future.
He pled guilty. Also, he wasn’t being charged as an adult—this isn’t a case of an “overzealous prosecutor” trying to lock the kid up for 50 years.
quote:Admitting there is nuance to this specific situation doesn’t absolve child molesters.
Well that’s certainly one way to excuse a child molester. I imagine he wasn’t a threat to anyone on the team or OSU’s campus—they aren’t children.
quote:No one is saying the allegations are harmless. And you should care how it got out. Laws are laws for a reason.
He was a teenager. His family member wasn’t even in the first grade. This isn’t some high school kid copping a feel of his class mate at a party.
Also, who cares HOW the information got out. The issue is that this kid is a convicted sex offender (not alleged, not rumored, but convicted) and Casey looked the other way to win some ball games.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:03 am to ell_13
I just feel like the fact that we have to have this debate should be reason enough to find another coach for the LSU baseball team.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:08 am to geauxtigers33
It’s understandable. I’m simply separating the two. You can not want Casey because of the PR problem it causes due to the Luke situation. And you can think it’s possible Luke is innocent and simply got railroaded by a mom who wanted to keep her child support and a system that leans heavily in favor of the alleged victim regardless of facts or proof.
I actually find it ironic so many here trust the mom considering so many men on TD are divorced and know what women are willing to do/say to a court in order to “win” and how bias the system against men.
I actually find it ironic so many here trust the mom considering so many men on TD are divorced and know what women are willing to do/say to a court in order to “win” and how bias the system against men.
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 8:10 am
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:09 am to geauxtigers33
Its pretty fricking obvious Casey and the entire baseball team thinks he didnt do it, and Casey would have actually been a little Brees like bitch to turn his back on someone he thought was innocent just because of pressure
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:09 am to ell_13
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His plea was through the advice of a lawyer who knew he had very little chance of winning even with no evidence and with the understanding that, because he was a minor, this could (and should have) all go away without any effect on his future.
Well, except for the whole “you’ll have to register as a sex offender even once you’re an adult thing.”
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Admitting there is nuance to this specific situation doesn’t absolve child molesters.
There is no nuance—he’s a convicted pedo, Casey knew it, and still welcomed him back with open arms to help him win a championship.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:12 am to logjamming
quote:False. It was to stop when he turned 21 according to Washington Law.
Well, except for the whole “you’ll have to register as a sex offender even once you’re an adult thing.”
quote:Fine. Call it context. Either way, you’re choosing to ignore what happened leading up to his plea and why, regardless of his innocence, his parents felt it was the best decision at the time. A decision they regret.
There is no nuance
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:13 am to Choupique19
quote:He wasn't facing 20 years. He was facing 40 weeks.
What if he was facing charges that would have him in prison for 20 years, or he could take the plea deal to have probation and his records completely sealed for life?
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:15 am to Jake88
No. It was up to 10 years from what I read.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:16 am to ell_13
Ive seen conflicting info about how much time he was to face for it
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:16 am to ell_13
quote:Maybe. But, far more than likely he did it and for the sake of the baseball team, it was a poor choice pitching him. He is free to get on with his life at this point.
Youve been told this happens often even for people who are innocence which he maintains. Does that give you any doubt whatsoever that he actually did it?
Posted on 6/10/21 at 8:17 am to josh336
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Following is an open letter I’m posting for Luke’s parents on July 20, 2018.
from Mark & Meridee Heimlich
As Luke Heimlich’s parents, we wish to specifically clarify some of the difficult decisions we originally struggled with in our family situation six years ago. First, we want to unequivocally say that we have always believed Luke was innocent of the accusation made against him. Between the legal counsel we received and the family circumstances we faced, we tried to sort out a path that would not cause harm to our granddaughter—an actual trial would have been traumatic—or jeopardize the stability of our older son’s single-parent family. The only path that seemed like it would lead to an environment that might fulfill our desperate need for family healing was for Luke to plead guilty.
We were absolutely assured by our attorney that things would not go well if we tried to fight the charge, and that a plea bargain would be the best hope. We sat down with Luke and discussed it, explaining the challenges and, to the best of our understanding, the potential consequences. We instructed Luke to take the plea bargain, because we thought it was the best course of action. We expected that in five years, according to Washington State law, the court records could be sealed, Luke would have a clean slate, and we would all move on with our lives.
Luke chose to trust us and comply, despite his strong and consistent assertion that he had done nothing. We initially believed he would be able to submit a plea while still maintaining his innocence. We did not know that a written admission of guilt would be required with the plea agreement. When we finally learned that, our backs were against the wall, and we saw no other option. The alternative would have been a trial harmful to our granddaughter and very likely incarceration instead of probation for our son. The attorney produced a short sentence that satisfied the court’s requirement, and Luke signed the plea agreement. It was documented in several places in the court records that Luke did everything required by the law, while continuing to maintain his innocence.
Since the Oregonian exposed Luke’s juvenile record last June, people have attributed all sorts of motivation to the ways we responded. It is important to understand that in less than three months there was to be a hearing for our request to seal Luke’s record and to vacate the requirement for him to remain on the registry. We had no idea how any public response from Luke or from us could possibly affect the outcome of that hearing. We were in an extremely difficult, stressful time with a multitude of voices sharing opinions on what we should or shouldn’t do. In that confusion, we felt silence was our safest course of action to avoid further media attacks and to protect family relationships.
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