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re: Play with Morgan at 3rd/TF in 6th inning.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:06 pm to ell_13
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:06 pm to ell_13
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Ive rewatched it multiple times. He freezes then goes. If he freezes then returns, he is 100% safe. He’s also safe if he slides head first or feet first directly into the bag. He made two bad decisions on the play. With no outs and runners on the corners in that situation, the runner goes on anything that isn’t hard at 3B or the Pitcher. With first base covered, you have more time to see and react to what he does. The middle wasn’t in. 3B was. That’s the call. Every coach knows it.
The call was ground ball contact because NO ONE could foresee Beloso doing something he hasn’t done all season.
Every coach “knows” that.
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:08 pm to RB10
quote:So you’re cool with ignoring the basics simply because the batter rarely causes a certain situation? Talk about mental gymnastics to defend a call.
The call was ground ball contact because NO ONE could foresee Beloso doing something he hasn’t done all season.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:10 pm to ell_13
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So you’re cool with ignoring the basics simply because the batter rarely causes a certain situation? Talk about mental gymnastics to defend a call.
Yes. Playing the percentages of Beloso hitting the ball to the left side was absolutely the correct call.
It took a great play by the 3B and a circus play by the catcher to get Tre by an inch, on a terrible slide.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:10 pm to RB10
quote:this still doesnt matter, you have rules beforehand and it doesnt matter who is batting.
The call was ground ball contact because NO ONE could foresee Beloso doing something he hasn’t done all season.
Every coach “knows” that.
Every coach knows this!
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:14 pm to Contrary
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this still doesnt matter, you have rules beforehand and it doesnt matter who is batting.
Oh right. Those Rules……
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Every coach knows this!
Apparently not. The double play while Tre is still standing on 3B is the worst case scenario. Hence the reason it was go on ground ball.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:17 pm to RB10
quote:Why do you think it’s mutually exclusive? Beloso could still have pulled the ball and Tre gone on contact because the runner at first was being held. The issues is the play at 3B and/or the pitcher. It’s a freeze or get back play because of how easy the throw home generally is. And let’s be honest, if he doesn’t double clutch and makes a better throw because he doesn’t have to rush it, it’s not some “miraculous” play.
Yes. Playing the percentages of Beloso hitting the ball to the left side was absolutely the correct call
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:19 pm to Contrary
It was basically a squeeze play and wake made the play. It is what it is.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:20 pm to ell_13
I don’t think he double clutched. I think he hesitated because Tre was trying to block the throw to the inside of the line. The extra step was to create an angle.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:20 pm to RB10
quote:and got thrown out at the plate and would continue to get thrown out at the plate when ball is hit to 3rd base. It didn't take a great play by the 3rd baseman to throw out Morgan, he fumbled the ball from what otherwise would have been a dead ringer for an out by recovering to makee a great play. If he doesnt fumble ball,he throws morgan out by 6 steps or more.
. Playing the percentages of Beloso hitting the ball to the left side was absolutely the correct call.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:22 pm to ell_13
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how easy the throw home generally is.
If tre gets caught in a rundown would merrifield have been able to take third?
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:22 pm to BayouPride
He would have tried for sure.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:24 pm to ell_13
Another thing that nobody mentions is Tre keeps looking back at the 3B to see what he’s going to do if he just goes on contact and doesn’t look back he’s probably safe. Just that look back might of cost him
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:24 pm to RB10
quote:He did double clutch. Even the announcers called it in real time. His angle was fine if he lets it go there because Tre is further up the line. He wasn’t going to be in the way were he to throw it when he originally intended.
I don’t think he double clutched. I think he hesitated because Tre was trying to block the throw to the inside of the line. The extra step was to create an angle.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:26 pm to Double Oh
He looks back to see if the 3B got the ball. He didn’t really need to because all he had to do was read the catcher. It may have cost him a half step but not much if it all. The real issue was the indecision on the slide. To go to your knees with legs in front to then try and to touch home plate with your hand was a huge mistake. Had he simply got head first, it’s an easy run.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:28 pm to ell_13
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He did double clutch. Even the announcers called it in real time.
In no way does this mean that’s what happened.
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His angle was fine if he lets it go there because Tre is further up the line. He wasn’t going to be in the way were he to throw it when he originally intended.
His angle was not fine. Tre looked back to block the throw, and made himself big. From where his momentum stopped he would have been throwing directly behind Tre.
I think he took an extra step to create space.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:37 pm to RB10
quote:Nope. He was fine. Here is when he double pumped. Tre was still way up the line and not in the way at all. And he didn’t even move to the outside to get in the way. If anything he moved to the inside to block the catcher.
His angle was not fine.
Where he was when he finally threw it:
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:38 pm to ell_13
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Nope. He was fine. Here is when he double pumped. Tre was still way up the line and not in the way at all.
The catcher was set up on the inside of the plate. Where he is in the first picture puts Morgan directly between them.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:39 pm to ell_13
And here is the absolutely horrendous slide:
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:40 pm to RB10
Tre was less than halfway home in that first one. For him to be “directly” in line, the catcher would have to be just as far away from the line as the 3B. It’s actually more but I doubt you’d understand the geometry. Try isn’t in the way.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:42 pm to ell_13
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Tre was less than halfway home in that first one. For him to be “directly” in line, the catcher would have to be just as far away from the line as the 3B. It’s actually more but I doubt you’d understand the geometry. Try isn’t in the way.
Your own pictures are showing you’re wrong. The angle wasn’t clean by any stretch of the imagination.
Hell, even with the step to create more room the ball still went beneath Tre.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 12:43 pm
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