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re: Perkins comments at the weekly presser
Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:24 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:24 am to Lester Earl
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Haason Reddick was also a 5yr player who didn’t start until his 4th season.
Ironically two guys discussed in this thread Jones and Reddick each took four college seasons to flourish.
Talent gets a guy so far, but he has to mature and learn too.
Sure there are exceptions, but a lot of top players don’t start year one or even year two.
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Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:25 am to StrongOffer
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Somebody told me Perkins asked to be moved inside to help his draft stock. Not sure if true or not.
I don’t know if he asked or what but I definitely remember BK saying they wanted him to learn the inside position because it would help him at the next level. It sucks that Maason was out for FSU because that may have helped Perk. I’m glad to see Perk move around though.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:29 am to doubleb
Let's be clear, I'm not endorsing every way Rhule chose to utilize Reddick. We know his judgment is dubious (see his choice for QB at NU this year). But HR was playing in 2013 and 2014.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:30 am to HC87
Probably why it is good to try that out in a game vs Grambling instead of a top 10 national televised game!!! Or better yet, have a game before the P5 game
Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:31 am to catfish 62
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Why not put him in the position he will excel at most in the college game and let the nfl figure out how to use him?
You’re assuming that developing Perkins at MLB only helps his NFL prospects. Maybe there’s some upside for LSU if a player with his athletic ability can pick up the MLB position?
I mean ultimately that’s the rub - it would be great over the long term if we could mold him into a dominant middle linebacker, but it’s really hard to do that without actually playing him at the position. This is especially true for a guy who they want to move around a lot, make offenses account for him, etc. since that requires more focus in practice than playing in one spot or as a situational OLB.
So your options are either take the lumps with him inside now or potentially never get a chance to make that move. It’s a catch-22 and I think it’s a little silly to be up in arms about Kelly/House trying to play the long game.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:32 am to inadaze
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That's his second year with Temple. He played at a similar weight to HP in college. Of course, the AAC is a much different level of football. You generally won't find players that size playing "DE" in the SEC. But it's a similar edge rusher role.
That year he didn’t play in the first three games, he broke into a starters role late in the year and started one game.
His third season he started two games late in the year only to get injured and miss the last two games.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:36 am to doubleb
See the last post.
This is not an endorsement of everything that happened with Temple.
People have been misjudging Reddick for years, going back to HS.
I've spelled out the comparison.
This is not an endorsement of everything that happened with Temple.
People have been misjudging Reddick for years, going back to HS.
I've spelled out the comparison.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:38 am to inadaze
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Let's be clear, I'm not endorsing every way Rhule chose to utilize Reddick. We know his judgment is dubious (see his choice for QB at NU this year). But HR was playing in 2013 and 2014.
Reddick started three games in his first three seasons at Temple. Perkins has started 10 games already.
Both Ruhle and Kelley moved these guys around trying to fit them in the defense.
Looking at the progress made by Reddick, Perkins is way ahead of him, but they all have growing pains.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:39 am to doubleb
You seem to be misunderstanding me.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:39 am to inadaze
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People have been misjudging Reddick for years, going back to HS.
Reddick became a beast. Your HS rating doesn’t determine your worth. No one knows for sure what the future holds.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:45 am to doubleb
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HS rating
The "rating" was off.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:47 am to HC87
Still an idiotic decision to move him to the middle. Needs to be asked who was behind that. Kelly or House
Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:53 am to White Tiger
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Maybe he is too smart by half. Now if he can figure out the QB positio
We don’t have any problems with the quarterback position, you dumb shite.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:55 am to inadaze
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He played at a similar weight to HP in college.
eh was 225 his 4th year and wasn’t as effective as he was at 230 his senior year.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 10:59 am to SammyTiger
Perkins is roughly the same size as Grant Delpit in his junior year right now.
6’2 215-220 and runs a 4.49 roughly
6’2 215-220 and runs a 4.49 roughly
Posted on 9/12/23 at 11:01 am to SammyTiger
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Reddick weighted in at 237 at the combine. he basically spent 5 years at Temple billing up to get to 230
if Perkins was 237
The question is why Perkins isn't 237
EVEN IF he was playing off ball LB, he should be at least 230. Did he come to LSU sub-200 or something? I thought he played last year around 210 or so. Putting on even 15 lbs in an offseason shouldn't have been THAT difficult. I think he's reported around 210 again, so what the hell is our S/D doing with him?
Posted on 9/12/23 at 11:04 am to rmnldr
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Still an idiotic decision to move him to the middle. Needs to be asked who was behind that. Kelly or House
They are not creative coaches. They have systems and they don't want to modify the systems to maximize players.
I'm still confused why he's playing OBLB b/c (1) if size is an issue, it's still an issue there and (2) he's clearly not ready. Training him at OBLB how they want him to play there should have him backing up/developing to hopefully start next year.
I fear that they've wasted crucial development time (both in terms of body and skill) that may thwart development anywhere moving forward.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 11:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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They are not creative coaches. They have systems and they don't want to modify the systems to maximize players.
people say stuff like this and the really mean “we should only pass rush him”
Posted on 9/12/23 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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OBLB
Is this some new position? I’m genuinely asking I’ve never seen this term.
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I fear that they've wasted crucial development time (both in terms of body and skill) that may thwart development anywhere moving forward.
Wasted crucial time developing what? His pass rush skills? Those are great and will always be great. They are trying to teach him to be a complete linebacker. That will never happen by him just lining up on the edge and rushing every time. They know they have that if all else fails.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 11:15 am to geauxtigers33
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Is this some new position? I’m genuinely asking I’ve never seen this term.
probably Off Ball LB.
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