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re: Perception of Trent Johnson and this team now...
Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:27 am to josh336
Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:27 am to josh336
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There is nothing wrong with being a soft big in college. He's never going to be that double double guy. But he has a good touch, and handles the ball extremely well for a big. If he was a double double guy, he probably wouldn't be at LSU. He is what he is. Embrace it.
It is better than watching Malcolm freaking White shooting fadeaway 15 footers for 23+ min per outing.
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Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:28 am to Tiger Nation 84
The depth of the team is much better than the past two seasons. Some of the turnovers make me shake my head and go WTF, but if they keep playing scrappy D who knows what can happen. JOB looked lost all night, and the Ginger needs to man up and keep his head in the game or stay on the bench. Great win, especially coming back from 13-0 and fighting through the ridiculous # of turnovers in the second half. TJ is a very competitive man, if he screams at his guys all game long what is that going to do other than have them tune him out?
Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:28 am to c on z
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It is better than watching Malcolm freaking White shooting fadeaway 15 footers for 23+ min per outing.
Amen!!!
Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:28 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
We have played decent competition thus far. What are you talking about?
Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:32 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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6'4" in height and yes I can play the game and I know for a fact if you put someone that's 4 or 5 inches shorter on me I would kill them in the post. All I have to do is turn around and shoot over them. One of two things will happen, I'll get the shot off or get fouled.
One, doesn't mean you make the shot or have the quickness to guard the smaller player. 2) Hamilton is a very good college big. he took two charges last night. he plays good team defense. He passes well, he shoots well, he shoots free throws well.
This kid has a high basketball i.q.
the play to bounce the ball of the player out of bounds, the rebound he got when he was called for traveling (although he would pushed off his pivot foot). The two charges. The play where he's the bail out guy for the inbounds pass then passes to hickey on the run who hits turner for the three to go up by 2 with two minutes left.
these are all plays he's responsible for and show's he knows the game. The game is more than just beating a guy off the dribble and dunking on someone. He is not the most athletic big, however, he plays very smart and with good skill for his size.
Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:34 am to dos crystal
Its like this guy didn't even watch last night
Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:46 am to dos crystal
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One, doesn't mean you make the shot or have the quickness to guard the smaller player
Nah, I know you won't make every shot but you do have to demonstrate that you have a post presence inside so teams will fall back into the lane to open up shots outside. This happened a little bit in last night's game b/c I guess Marquette feared his size a little bit, but over the entire season so far it rarely happens.
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Hamilton is a very good college big. he took two charges last night. he plays good team defense. He passes well, he shoots well, he shoots free throws well.
What I'm saying is LSU should be able to pound the ball inside with Hamilton against the teams they've played thus far and haven't done it. Yeah, yeah taking a couple of charges, saving a ball going out of bounds, et al shows some bball I.Q., but on the offensive end they should've been dominate in the inside-out game with Hamilton. The game is simple, once the ball enters the post if the defense sags or doubles kick it out for the open jumper. If the opposite happens and you're one on one, make a quick post move and get your shot off.
This post was edited on 12/20/11 at 9:48 am
Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:48 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
In the words of CTJ, "It is just one game."
Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:50 am to Tiger Nation 84
I'm pretty disappointed in O'Bryant so far. Looked overwhelmed and lost out there last night. Hopefully he will improve as the season progresses
Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:58 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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dominate
DOMINANT. The word is DOMINANT.
Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:59 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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What I'm saying is LSU should be able to pound the ball inside with Hamilton against the teams they've played thus far and haven't done it. Yeah, yeah taking a couple of charges, saving a ball going out of bounds, et al shows some bball I.Q., but on the offensive end they should've been dominate in the inside-out game with Hamilton. The game is simple, once the ball enters the post if the defense sags or doubles kick it out for the open jumper. If the opposite happens and you're one on one, make a quick post move and get your shot off.
You are over-simplifying the game - this isn't high school basketball. Hamilton has gotten doubles almost every game because of his size - he makes good passes out of the post. Defenses in college (I'm assumig you didn't play college otherwise you'd know this) do a very good job of having ball-side guards poaching on the big man when the ball goes in without fully committing. When they do commit and double, defenses are very good at this level of rotating and taking away the easy pass/shot.
Hamilton is our 2nd leading scorer and leading rebounder. He's an efficient scorer and is one of the few big men in the SEC you can count on late in the game with the lead b/c he has good touch around the rim, hits free throws and takes care of the ball extremely well for a big man.
He may not be an All-SEC guy this year but he is a very very solid player.
Posted on 12/20/11 at 10:01 am to Elleshoe
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DOMINANT. The word is DOMINANT
sorry, just typing too fast, I'm sure there are more errors in my posts than just that one
Posted on 12/20/11 at 10:04 am to BayouWolf
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Defenses in college (I'm assumig you didn't play college otherwise you'd know this) do a very good job of having ball-side guards poaching on the big man when the ball goes in without fully committing.
Yeah....its called "digging" and high school players do this too. Dont try to act all big time when you are talking basketball.
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When they do commit and double, defenses are very good at this level of rotating and taking away the easy pass/shot.
Right, and at this level, players are able to swing the ball quickly and get open shots when teams double.
Posted on 12/20/11 at 10:05 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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One of the big negatives to me on the entire season is Justin Hamilton.
Yep. If Ham was a bit more physical we'd be a lot better. I feel the same about O'Bryant by he's young. I think Johnny will get better with PT. Storm was a beast last night.
Posted on 12/20/11 at 10:07 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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sorry, just typing too fast, I'm sure there are more errors in my posts than just that one
its not just you. its daily on this board with that word
Posted on 12/20/11 at 10:21 am to More beer please
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Yeah....its called "digging" and high school players do this too. Dont try to act all big time when you are talking basketball.
I'm not trying to big-time you at all - but you just proved my point on over-simplifying the game. What do you expect Hamilton to do when he gets doubled? He makes the smart pass and is leading the SEC in offensive rebounds so far this year.
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Right, and at this level, players are able to swing the ball quickly and get open shots when teams double.
So its Hamilton's fault some of the wing players haven't hit shots or rotated the ball quickly?
I'm done going back and forth on this, just think you are being overly critical of a guy who in addition to being the 2nd leading scorer and leading rebounder, does all the little things to make the team better.
Posted on 12/20/11 at 10:26 am to BayouWolf
I loved the set after we rebounded a miss:
Freshman rebounds, passes to a freshman, dishes to a freshman to finish off the break.
How many seniors do we have on this team? One? Bass?
Freshman rebounds, passes to a freshman, dishes to a freshman to finish off the break.
How many seniors do we have on this team? One? Bass?
Posted on 12/20/11 at 10:27 am to LSUAlum2001
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How many seniors do we have on this team? One? Bass?
Bass, Warren, and White
Posted on 12/20/11 at 10:32 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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Last night against Marquette, Hamilton still showed the inability to dominate the paint against shorter players. When you're 7' tall and going against a player that's 6'8", that's an extreme mismatch and I expect him to completely school the shorter player guarding him.
there are lots of 7' tall basketball players every year in the NCAA.
Many of them are nothing special.
You find out about most about them when they meet up with other guys almost as tall or even taller. Then you figure out that all they are is tall.
You just found out that Hamilton is nothing special.
So it goes.
I would rather have a Dennis Rodman 6 8", than a Joe Barry Carroll, who was 7 2". Joe Barry was a much better free throw shooter than Rodman. Rodman KILLED Joe Barry on the boards.
This post was edited on 12/20/11 at 10:33 am
Posted on 12/20/11 at 10:36 am to Elleshoe
According to the DailyRPI we are 41 with a SOS of 54.
I really believe you can attribute his lack of rebounding to the style of teams we have played. A lot of them run 5 out sets that pull guys from the rim. Not to mention teams take a lot of 3s against us which lead to long rebounds. If anything, more pro-style (yes, stealing a common football themed word) teams in the SEC will allow for more rebounds for Hamilton (who has played now 11 games in the past two years, takes time to knock of rust guys... I play pick-up routinely and in leagues and if it has been two or three weeks, my shot and timing on the court isn't there). Come SEC play, he will be a 14-8-2 guy. You can almost book it. How many bigs in college really average 10+ rebounds for a season in 28 mins?
I really believe you can attribute his lack of rebounding to the style of teams we have played. A lot of them run 5 out sets that pull guys from the rim. Not to mention teams take a lot of 3s against us which lead to long rebounds. If anything, more pro-style (yes, stealing a common football themed word) teams in the SEC will allow for more rebounds for Hamilton (who has played now 11 games in the past two years, takes time to knock of rust guys... I play pick-up routinely and in leagues and if it has been two or three weeks, my shot and timing on the court isn't there). Come SEC play, he will be a 14-8-2 guy. You can almost book it. How many bigs in college really average 10+ rebounds for a season in 28 mins?
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