re: Per Dandy Don Q/A with Mike Detiller on O LINE....

Posted by d2

Member since Jan 2009

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Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:56 am to tigersells

Somewhat related question.

Why do teams not convert more jumbo TE's (Dillon Gordon type) to play the LT spot?

Seems like a natural position switch, get a tall guy, with quick feet and long arms on the edge.

May take a redshirt year but the player would make $ and the TE position is gravitating towards being a big WR.

Posted by misey94

Member since Jan 2007

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Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:57 am to Turbeauxdog

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Pocic is an incredibly talented lineman. He's also a tackle.

This is true, but Center was clearly his worst position on the line, and was the worst fit for his skill set and size. He certainly wasn't bad, but we took a guy who was a strength and made him less of strength through where he lined up.

I can understand the reasoning of putting Pocic at Center to start last year. However, if they had ANY confidence in Clapp or Dodd, the move to get him out to Tackle should have been made last season. Obviously Pocic's offseason hip surgery cost time in getting a move made this year, but there's still a pretty convincing argument to be made that it should have happened. I give Grimes a little credit for experimenting with it by mid-season this year. Even less than 100%, Pocic is a better Tackle than Tehuma. I don't see how we can expect great results from the O Line when guys aren't put in their ideal positions.

I really hope that this was all a product of Miles' meddling, and that Grimes and Canada will put the guys we have where they belong, rather than continuing to force square pegs into round holes.

Posted by therick711

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Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:01 am to Choupique19

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Just like Ole Miss and USC were his "dream job".

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A year ago, Orgeron thought he had all the good stuff mixed together — a head coaching job at the school of his dreams, the love of players he viewed as his children, the embrace of fans he adored. As a popular USC assistant-turned-interim-coach who returned fire to the program after replacing the fired Lane Kiffin on Sept. 29, he was the people's choice to lead the floundering Trojans into the future.

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Ole Miss is a prestigious institution. Being a head coach in the Southeastern Conference has always been one of my dreams. I was at the point in my career where I thought I couldn't do any more at Southern Cal. I knew a couple of head coaching jobs would come open and Ole Miss has always been a school that I wanted to be the head coach at.

Posted by misey94

Member since Jan 2007

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Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:14 am to d2

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Why do teams not convert more jumbo TE's (Dillon Gordon type) to play the LT spot?

Because we are one of a very few teams that still recruits TEs the size of tackles (at least until now, this may change with Miles gone). Gordon would have been a Tackle almost anywhere else. Guys somewhere between DeSean Smith and Evan Engram at OM are the prototypical TE of today. They are bigger, taller WRs who can block the edge in a faster-paced offense that works on speed and quickness more than pure power.

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Posted by s2

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Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:20 am to tduecen

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Blame Les...

is that "blame Les" or is it blameless?

Posted by misey94

Member since Jan 2007

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Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:21 am to km

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The days of 6'6" 340 lb offensive tackle in college is coming to an end. These loads are consistently beat by 6'4" 240 lb defensive ends.

Forget what MD said. ^THIS is the truth of the situation. We have recruited guys that 90% of teams in the FBS would use at Guard today to play Tackle. A guy like Pocic, who is pretty exceptional, likely has the athleticism and quick feet at his size to handle the position against the speed rushers that we face in the college game today. The hope is that Deculus does, as well. However, the run of the mill 300+ HS O Line recruit does NOT have that kind of skill set. The average weight of LTs and TE in college is coming down, not gong up. This is especially true in a lot of spread offenses.

Posted by wahoocs

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Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:43 am to ForeLSU

I am of the opinion that Pocic wasn't at tackle b/c he didn't fare well there.

I believe he was at center b/c he knew the calls and could handle the snap better than any of the guards we had/have.

Posted by CarRamrod

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Member since Dec 2006

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Posted on 1/5/17 at 12:28 pm to tduecen

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I hope Bernie Maldoff gets another job managing money, what happened was a long time ago.

i wonder if Pats and Seahawks fan are happy their organization gave Bill and Pete 2nd chances after the failed at their first NFL gigs.

2 ...

Posted by tduecen

Member since Nov 2006

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Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:23 pm to CarRamrod

If only Pete and Bill had actually been failures...
Pete was fired after on season when the coach they hired after him. Also,he had success with the Patriots. Made them worse... Bill B only led Cleveland to the playoffs...

It isn't like these two were Marty Mornhinweg, Cam Cameron, or Gus Bradley... You know people that actually failed...

Posted by Earthquake

USA

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Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:23 pm to CarRamrod

Just asking a question, how many tackles left or right has LSU put in the NFL under Miles

Posted by lsupride87

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Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:24 pm to tigersbh

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But it IS his dream job

No, it really isnt. He was a USC homer for the longest time.

ETA: There literally used to be multiple threads on "Why does Orgeron hate LSU?"

"Why wont Orgeron take a position at LSU?"

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Posted by tduecen

Member since Nov 2006

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Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:39 pm to Earthquake

Joseph Barksdale
Jerald Hawkins
Vadal Alexander I believe plays both T and G positions

Posted by LSUStar

Medellin

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Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:46 pm to tigersells

Miles was the bestest most successfullest coach at LSU ever...

Posted by Mayhawman

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Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:53 pm to wahoocs

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I am of the opinion that Pocic wasn't at tackle b/c he didn't fare well there.
I believe he was at center b/c he knew the calls and could handle the snap better than any of the guards we had/have.

Center was between Pocic and Clapp at one time, so I have to think Clapp struggled getting the OL audibles right for staff to move a lauded career LT to C.

Contrary to tRant narrative, LT isn't necessarily the most important line position unless you air raid.

Posted by timm6971463

oakdale la

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Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:59 pm to ready4something

Readyforwhat ! To repeat what the other stupids are saying !

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Posted by Rickdaddy4188

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Member since Aug 2011

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Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:07 pm to Mayhawman

And while Pocic struggled at times at centern he was a remington award finalist. The notion that he sucked at center isnt held by anyone that gets paid to evaluate olineman. He strughled some because centers that are that tall have to be extremely strong lower body because the dt will always get his hand on you first

Posted by Mayhawman

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Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:33 pm to tduecen

UDFA but playing Sundays, La'el Collins left LSU as OT also.

Posted by CarRamrod

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Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:39 pm to tduecen

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If only Pete and Bill had actually been failures...

were they fired?

So they failed.