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re: Penalties against us with Ritter vs without
Posted on 9/27/15 at 4:59 pm to dgnx6
Posted on 9/27/15 at 4:59 pm to dgnx6
One problem with trying to prove statiscal bias is that Ritter is very slick in covering his footprints. For example, he will throw a flag against LSU at critical times or situations in a game against LSU while latter on in the game giving LSU a call in our favor when it is of little help and of no real value to LSU. Many calls in football are fairly arbitrary so it affords a biased official such as Ritter a lot of room to easily hide his bias, but with Ritter it, at times is very blatant.
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Posted on 9/27/15 at 5:06 pm to PeaRidgeWatash
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Didn't Ritter officiate the 9-6 game
He did officiate the 9-6 game. The deal with that game was that so much attention had been brought on him and his biases before the game that the national media had caught some wind of the rumblings of it. Ritter was very much aware of the focus on him, as that game was a huge game with much national attention, that he was much more cautious in reveiling where his loyalties lied to the world. It must have ate him up and the bama video replay refs in the booth, to have to fairly call the interception in the end zone by Reid, an actual interception, which it was.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 5:10 pm to boxcar willie
Posted on 9/27/15 at 5:51 pm to boxcar willie
Why does Ritter get the blame for "throwing the flag" just because he announces the penalties? Do you have a specific example of a time when he himself made a controversial call against LSU? Or are you just blaming him because he's the crew chief? How do you know all of the officials on his crew have been the same each year?
Also, where does this Bama bias come from? He's from Texas, lives in Tennessee, and didn't attend college in the SEC.
I know there have been controversial calls involving LSU without his crews in the past, but I'd be willing to bet he's been the head official in many more games without controversy than with.
Also, where does this Bama bias come from? He's from Texas, lives in Tennessee, and didn't attend college in the SEC.
I know there have been controversial calls involving LSU without his crews in the past, but I'd be willing to bet he's been the head official in many more games without controversy than with.
This post was edited on 9/27/15 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 9/27/15 at 5:57 pm to dstone12
Look, I'm not crazy about Ritter and he did ref the 2011 9-6 game. I'm not happy about the head of SEC officials and the schedule guy and Assistant Commisioner being Alabama grads. I'm not happy about the majority of SEC officials in football being from that state and the majority of people in the SEC office being from that state. Having said that, it is a natural consequence of where the SEC office is located to a certain extent. This made sense in the 1930s to have a centrally located location.
However in the last 20 years, the SEC has simply become more of a national brand with huge $ contracts. In the meantime, Birmingham has continued to falter as a city which began way before the last 20 years.
Now that the SEC is so high profile, there are several cities within the blueprint and a couple right outside the blueprint that would make nice and growing locations for the office with much better high quality candidates that exist at least in numbers in those cities.
Think about this, Birmingham and Jackson, MS in the past had high profile games. We all know why that has changed.
However in the last 20 years, the SEC has simply become more of a national brand with huge $ contracts. In the meantime, Birmingham has continued to falter as a city which began way before the last 20 years.
Now that the SEC is so high profile, there are several cities within the blueprint and a couple right outside the blueprint that would make nice and growing locations for the office with much better high quality candidates that exist at least in numbers in those cities.
Think about this, Birmingham and Jackson, MS in the past had high profile games. We all know why that has changed.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 5:58 pm to medtiger
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Also, where does this Bama bias come from? He's from Tennessee and didn't attend college in the SEC.
His daughter attends U of Bama. How this bias came to be is not relavent really.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:05 pm to TutHillTiger
Most posters on here don't realize that the UMPIRE (U on the ref) jersey calls holding and offensive penalties. He watches the LOS not Ritter. Ritter watches the qbs and the rb if it's a hand off.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:08 pm to dstone12
Sabans LSU teams were penalized heavily. His bama teams aren't. So I'm saying it seems like an LSU issue. Not a Les issue. That is all.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:18 pm to dgnx6
I can't find any info on which crews hosted which games, I'll compile if someone can get a link.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 7:14 pm to dgnx6
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That is all.
You're right. That's all.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 7:33 pm to dstone12
Don't limit it to the permanent opponent (legitimate) beef-how about the "bridge" schedule drawn up by another Alabama grad that swapped out their scheduled home and home for, what, Mizzo and the Mildcats?
Ritter is crooked. There's no way he can consistently be so bad AND so one-sided over and over and over
Ritter is crooked. There's no way he can consistently be so bad AND so one-sided over and over and over
Posted on 9/27/15 at 9:08 pm to Icansee4miles
It appears this is a recent thing. LSU had fairly even penalty splits in 2010 and 2011, but then they exploded since 2012. In that time frame, LSU has ranked in the top 20 in fewest opponent penalty yards every year since 2012 and is currently on pace for another top 20 finish.
In this span, LSU averages 1.71 more penalties/game than its opponents and 15.40 more yards/game. The interesting thing is these splits are even worse in games LSU WINS. LSU gets flagged like crazy in its wins. LSU has played 42 games in this time frame, and 35 of them have had an SEC crew. Ritter has been LSU's ref 7 times, more than any other ref (Owens is at 6, no one is at 5).
On average, LSU gets 6.74 penalties for 55.19 yards v. 5.02 penalties for 39.79 yards (since 2012). In games Ritter is the ref, the averages are 10.14 penalties for 81.86 yards v. 4.86 penalties for 43.86 yards. The disparity of 5.29 penalties/game and 38.00 yards is by far the biggest of any ref.
LSU has been charged with at least 5 more penalties than its opponent 10 times since 2012. Ritter has been the ref in 5 of those games, including the 3 largest penalty disparities. The Syracuse game is the first time he reached double digits, though.
Remember those averages and the gap of 1.71 penalties and 15.40 yards/game on average? If we remove Ritter's games, the averages drop to a disparity of 1.00 penalties and 10.89 yards/game. LSU goes from 6.74-55.19/game to 6.06-49.86/game. The Ritter Effect seems very real.
In this span, LSU averages 1.71 more penalties/game than its opponents and 15.40 more yards/game. The interesting thing is these splits are even worse in games LSU WINS. LSU gets flagged like crazy in its wins. LSU has played 42 games in this time frame, and 35 of them have had an SEC crew. Ritter has been LSU's ref 7 times, more than any other ref (Owens is at 6, no one is at 5).
On average, LSU gets 6.74 penalties for 55.19 yards v. 5.02 penalties for 39.79 yards (since 2012). In games Ritter is the ref, the averages are 10.14 penalties for 81.86 yards v. 4.86 penalties for 43.86 yards. The disparity of 5.29 penalties/game and 38.00 yards is by far the biggest of any ref.
LSU has been charged with at least 5 more penalties than its opponent 10 times since 2012. Ritter has been the ref in 5 of those games, including the 3 largest penalty disparities. The Syracuse game is the first time he reached double digits, though.
Remember those averages and the gap of 1.71 penalties and 15.40 yards/game on average? If we remove Ritter's games, the averages drop to a disparity of 1.00 penalties and 10.89 yards/game. LSU goes from 6.74-55.19/game to 6.06-49.86/game. The Ritter Effect seems very real.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 9:17 pm to Baloo
Excellent analysis, would love to see this picked up in some national media....
Was Ritter's Crew the one that threw that taunting flag on Brad Wing?
Was Ritter's Crew the one that threw that taunting flag on Brad Wing?
Posted on 9/27/15 at 9:20 pm to vl100butch
Was that the 2011 Florida game? Then, no. Austin was the ref.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 9:27 pm to recruitnik
I'm very happy for you if you've lived a life in which you've expressed zero bias against someone or have had zero bias expressed against you. But in the real world, people have biases and sometimes they act on them.
That's not a conspiracy theory, it's just life.
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You are correct; and when I think back to some calls in games against teams like Auburn & Alabama, does make you wonder...
That's not a conspiracy theory, it's just life.
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You are correct; and when I think back to some calls in games against teams like Auburn & Alabama, does make you wonder...
Posted on 9/27/15 at 9:28 pm to Baloo
Holy shite
Posted on 9/27/15 at 9:32 pm to Baloo
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On average, LSU gets 6.74 penalties for 55.19 yards v. 5.02 penalties for 39.79 yards (since 2012). In games Ritter is the ref, the averages are 10.14 penalties for 81.86 yards v. 4.86 penalties for 43.86 yards.
I would like to believe that is just one hell of a coincidence, but it's difficult.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 9:36 pm to MOT
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LSU gets 6.74 penalties for 55.19 yards v. 5.02 penalties for 39.79 yards (since 2012). In games Ritter is the ref, the averages are 10.14 penalties for 81.86 yards v. 4.86 penalties for 43.86 yards.
There it is
Posted on 9/27/15 at 9:42 pm to Baloo
Well done.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 9:45 pm to Baloo
It could go back a lot farther. His penalties were the deciding factor in two games vs Auburn in the early 2000's. Watch any game where he is the head referee and the games will be longer due to so many penalties (Example; Bama vs Ole Miss this year). He tries to hard to control the games.
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