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Patience is a virtue: QBs tend to get better with more years in college

Posted on 12/1/15 at 2:16 pm
Posted by Salviati
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 2:16 pm
Alabama Has Been More Successful with QBs Who Are Starting After Their Second Year in College

John Parker Wilson started all 12 games in 2007 as a junior and 2008 as a senior.

In 2009, Greg McElroy took over with 2 years under his belt and led Bama to an undefeated season. He also started every game in 2010.

In 2011, A.J. McCarron was a redshirt sophomore and was entering his 3rd year at Bama. He won a NC both years that he started.

After McCarron entered the draft, Blake Sims stepped up and balled. For 3 years he was a backup QB before finally getting the nod and leading Bama to the playoffs.

Jake Coker was redshirted at FSU in 2010, played some as a backup in 2011 and 2012. He injured his knee before the 2013 season so he transferred to Bama January of 2014. He's now a 5th year senior QB for Saban and on their way to another playoff.


LSU Has Been More Successful with QBs Who Are Starting After Their Second Year in College

In 2008, Lee (RS Fr) and Jefferson (T Fr) split time.

In 2009, Jefferson started as a true sophomore.

In 2014, Jennings started as a true sophomore.

In 2015, Harris started as a true sophomore.


When LSU has a QB who is starting after his second year in college:

2005 11-2 (7-1 SEC)
2006 11-2 (6-2 SEC)
2007 12-2 (6-2 SEC) National Championship
2010 11-2 (6-2 SEC)
2011 13-1 (8-0 SEC) SEC Champs, NC appearance
2012 10-3 (6-2 SEC) lost to Bama
2013 10-3 (5-3 SEC) 3,000 yd passer, two 1,000 yd receivers

Combined 78-15 [84%] (44-12 SEC [79%])


When LSU has a QB who is starting in his first or second year in college:

2008 8-5 (3-5 SEC) lost to Bama
2009 9-4 (5-3 SEC) lost to Bama
2014 8-5 (4-4 SEC) lost to Bama
2015 8-3 (5-3 SEC) lost to Bama

Combined 33-17 [66%] (17-15 SEC [53%])



These graphs clearly show that as LSU QBs get more years in the system, their production tends to increase.



Lee
QB Rating 117.60 increased to 156.62
Comp% 52.% increased to 65.0%
YPA 7.3 increased to 8.5

Jefferson
QB Rating 121.34 increased to 158.97
Comp% 46.3% increased to 66.1%
YPA 6.6 increased to 8.7

Mettenberger
QB Rating 116.63 increased to 155.86
Comp% 54.9% increased to 64.5%
YPA 6.9 increased to 9.6

SEC Regular Season Games


QB production is not static. Only morons use the talking point that a QB has "it" or not. There are just far too many examples of QBs who suck as freshmen and sophomores but who blossom as juniors and seniors.


Dak Prescott - RS So.

267 156 58.4% 1940 7.3 10 7 126.58

Brandon Harris - True So.
254 135 53.1% 1904 7.5 12 5 127.77

Baker Mayfield - True Fr.
340 218 64.1 2315 6.8 12 9 127.68

Only morons point to outlier freshman or sophomore QB stars at other schools and think that should be the norm for LSU. Consistently high production from a freshman or sophomore QB is NOT the norm.


QBs tend to get better as they spend more years in college.

Many fans scream about the type of QB should be recruiting. They point to the success of Mauck, Flynn, and Mettenberger and say that LSU should recruit "pro style" QBs. Putting to the side whether Mauck or Flynn were even "pro style" QBs or whether Miles even focuses on recruiting "dual threat" QBs, what there same people fail to consider is that Mauck, Flynn, and Mettenberger did not start as freshmen or sophomores. If Mauck, Flynn, or Mettenberger had started as freshmen or sophomores, they probably would have looked like crap for several games during the year.

Some people say that Harris does not have "it." That's bullshite on many levels. First, it's bullshite that Harris should be written off for not having "it." Second, it's bullshite to think that QBs either have "it" or they don't have "it." QBs can, and usually do, improve year over year.

Harris showed marked improvement during the first seven games in 2015. (Damn shame he missed the McNeese game.) He got injured in the Alabama game and regressed. There is no rational reason to think Harris won't be much improved next year.


Too many LSU fans think QBs can only gain experience and learn in games. bullshite.

Too many LSU fans think QBs can only gain experience and develop as passers if they pass in games. bullshite.

QBs, like every other position, learn and develop their skills in practice, the film room, and the coach's classroom.
Mechanics are honed and fixed in practice, the film room, and the coach's classroom.
Decision making is taught and crafted in practice, the film room, and the coach's classroom.

In practice, the film room, and the coach's classroom, the coach can focus on and correct problems: mental, physical, and mechanical.

QBs acquire experience through practice, the film room, and the coach's classroom. The more years a QB has on campus, the more time the QB spends in practice, the film room, and coach's classroom. Thus, more years in college equals better developed QB.
This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 2:17 pm
Posted by ATLTiger
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 2:21 pm to
Straight graphin' on em, son!
Posted by reauxl tigers7
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
1139 posts
Posted on 12/1/15 at 2:21 pm to
Harris has 2 more years still. If he has a decent year in 2016 then leaves, he's retarded, he won't go anywhere. After Harris leaves, McMillan will take over for Harris as a senior and contribute in 2018. After McMillan leaves, true sophomore Zadock Dinkelmann will assume the role for a couple of years, so on and so forth.

That's just what we can hope for.
Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 2:21 pm to
shite. Have an upvote
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 2:22 pm to
There's plenty of RS freshman, or Sophomores with success at the qb position in college these days
Posted by KingBeingking
Member since Jul 2014
2388 posts
Posted on 12/1/15 at 2:22 pm to
I like it. I approve.
Posted by LSU_Tigahs66
Member since Aug 2014
678 posts
Posted on 12/1/15 at 2:23 pm to
I appreciate the line graphs! No data, no proof.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162231 posts
Posted on 12/1/15 at 2:23 pm to
quote:

After Harris leaves, McMillan will take over for Harris as a senior and contribute in 2018.

Redshirt junior
Posted by reauxl tigers7
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
1139 posts
Posted on 12/1/15 at 2:24 pm to
quote:

Redshirt junior

Oh he redshirted?
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
5541 posts
Posted on 12/1/15 at 2:27 pm to
quote:

There's plenty of RS freshman, or Sophomores with success at the qb position in college these days
And there it is.

As always.

fricking morons.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162231 posts
Posted on 12/1/15 at 2:34 pm to
quote:


Oh he redshirted?

I don't think he has played?
Posted by LSUfan71
Watson, LA
Member since Jul 2006
156 posts
Posted on 12/1/15 at 2:36 pm to
Are you going to credit your source?

Or you posting this under 2 usernames? Or just copying another post? strange


https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/useraction.aspx?action=Bookmark&hpp=60554019&p=60554019
This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 2:44 pm
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
21426 posts
Posted on 12/1/15 at 2:40 pm to
No, the guy cant complete a pass other than toss ups to Dural and up the side line patterns to others. Was protected for 7 games and when the truth was shown, the last 5 games he didn't have a clue or a chance.
Posted by Macintosh504
Leveraging Salaries University
Member since Sep 2011
52614 posts
Posted on 12/1/15 at 2:40 pm to
So once Harris is gone I expect to have 3 mediocre years again
Posted by drexyl
Mingovia
Member since Sep 2005
23066 posts
Posted on 12/1/15 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

So once Harris is gone I expect to have 3 mediocre years again
mcmillan. Maybe Franks will come back.
Posted by lsualum96
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Nov 2005
3083 posts
Posted on 12/1/15 at 2:57 pm to
quote:

There's plenty of RS freshman, or Sophomores with success at the qb position in college these days


In the SEC.........................?

Who've also won championships...............?

Who?
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 12/1/15 at 3:02 pm to
quote:

QBs tend to get better with more years in college


Then Anthony Jennings should have been good this year (his 3rd year in college), right? Yet he got beaten out by a player in his second year who had a bad season. If time in the program (or in college) was all you are cracking it up to be, then why did we start our second year player over our third year player? If it was because the second year player was better, then why didn't the third year player get better in his third year like you are claiming they do?
This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 3:09 pm
Posted by SBC
Member since Oct 2005
6868 posts
Posted on 12/1/15 at 3:07 pm to
Have an upvote sir. Graph those birches.

One of the most interesting set of stats I have ever seen.
This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 3:09 pm
Posted by stephendomalley
alexandria
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 3:09 pm to
who would argue that older qb's aren't usually better than young kids?

sure they are. But it is not a mutually exclusive position that they also get better with game experience. practice and working in the system is great, but it takes real game experience to get used to the speed of the game in college. esp. the SEC.

that's why I agree that it's more unrealistic to use young qb's in other conferences having success to measure up against the SEC. defenses are faster and bigger in the SEC.

People are not morons to suggest that our qb's need more real game passing experience to get better.

imo, we need to work esp. on bread and butter passing plays - screens, slants, curls, back shoulder throws early in the year, to find some throws he can get good at to get us 5-10 yards when we need it. that's my beef with this staff. we don't do that.
This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 3:12 pm
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Member since Jan 2011
22178 posts
Posted on 12/1/15 at 3:16 pm to
quote:

2005 11-2 (7-1 SEC)
2006 11-2 (6-2 SEC)
2007 12-2 (6-2 SEC) National Championship
2010 11-2 (6-2 SEC)
2011 13-1 (8-0 SEC) SEC Champs, NC appearance
2012 10-3 (6-2 SEC) lost to Bama
2013 10-3 (5-3 SEC) 3,000 yd passer, two 1,000 yd receivers
2016 15-0 (8-0 SEC) GOAT National Champions

This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 3:17 pm
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