re: Pathetic that we have a bunch of grown adults still in denial about 2003 split title

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I have had a poll that I have released at the end of every season since 1981. I have had LSU as co-champions 11 times. Can’t figure out why my poll is not recognized right up there with the CFP playoff champion by some, but it’s legit.

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Well, I just want to let you know I feel your poll is just as valid as the AP poll. FWIW

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AP trophy became irrelevant after the BCS was invented

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What about this do you not understand?

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Well that would be difficult since the actual BCS Agreement has either never been published or has been completely scrubbed from the internet. But it’s well known (and highly publicized) that the Big 10, Big 12, Big East, ACC, SEC, PAC 12, and Notre Dame were all signatories to the original BCS Agreement

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Yes, they were all signatories of the agreement. What I am asking for is proof that the agreement required them to accept the BCS title as the only national championship claim. And, no, Wikipedia is not proof without a cited reference source. Any random person can claim whatever they want on Wikipedia. There is no proof of authorship or that the author knows what they are talking about.

Below is a link to an interview with Roy Kramer in which he admits they knew there was a possibility of the AP voting for someone else and admitting that they failed in their goal of matching consensus #1 and #2 in 2003. Nowhere does he claim USC’s AP title was invalid nor does he claim that either they or the AP poll reneged on a contractual obligation. His words are a concession that there was no single consensus champion that year.

Roy Kramer BCS Discussion

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I don’t claim to know exactly why the BCS contracted with the AFCA, but I suspect it was at least partially because the mid-major conferences were not signatories to the original agreement (they were, however, always eligible for the championship game).

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I’m not sure I understand the logic of your position here. Either the BCS was the sole arbiter of the national championship or it wasn’t. You seem to be acknowledging the fact that there was the possibility of the polls voting someone else #1 and the public accepting that team as the champion and not the BCS champion. They needed the polls to establish legitimacy. The goal had always been to set up a #1 vs #2 matchup to try to ensure that the polls would agree on that winner as #1.

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The snapshot I posted came directly from the “national poll rankings” section of the NCAA FBS Record Book.

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Now scroll down further in that same section. You will find Major Selectors since 1936 which includes only the AP, Coaches’ Poll, FWAA, NFF, BCS, and CFP. Right below that is a list called National Poll Champions in the Bowls. It includes only the champions from those sources post-1936 and a select few sources pre-1936. It includes both LSU and USC in 2003, but not Oklahoma. Scroll a little more and it has a list of Consensus National Champions since 1950, again including only those same selectors and including both LSU and USC in 2003. After that it has a detailed section on AP polls including how many AP Poll championships each team has, including 2003 for USC.

Now let’s get to the really interesting part with the sections on the CFP and the BCS. The description of the CFP is “the first playoff system to determine THE national champions”. The description of the BCS is “…a bowl game to determine A national champion”. The CFP champ is THE national champion. The BCS champ is A national champion, not THE champion.

This emotional girl is unbelievable. She is not LSU she is shouting to the rooftops that the legitimate champion in 2003 is not the actual champion....there was a co champion...despite this idiot denying there was an agreement among all college administrators to agree to the BCS guidelines.
Remember this guy going forward......he is a complete and total loser.

mike71

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that the legitimate champion in 2003 is not the actual champion

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Link?

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this idiot denying there was an agreement among all college administrators to agree to the BCS guidelines.

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Link?

Again, I’m sorry for you that you are so fragile that it bothers you that the AP named USC their champion. It doesn’t bother me in the least. LSU won a national championship that year. What the AP and USC did or didn’t do doesn’t diminish that in the slightest. I’m just secure enough to acknowledge that most football fans also view USC as champions that year. So what? Why does that bother you so much that you have to go to such great lengths to try to wish it out of existence? And your reaction to me is the ultimate in insecurity. Man up.

Stfu pussy I'm never read so much ignorance in my life.

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How many dicks did you suck before you decided to post that trash? You have officially become the all-time gayest and dumbest poster in Tiger Droppings history with one thread. Amazing. ETA: I just realized this thread went 7 pages and it wasn’t all calling you a fig, there are actually others fighting over this. Ole Dumbasses.

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How many tiger dicks did you suck to convince you to white knight and blindly deny facts?

I’m a big LSU fan, but I’m capable of acknowledging facts. LSU and USC are both national champions for 2003. End of story

Dude, you’re so gay

There was one national champion - LSU. There are perhaps other teams that were voted national champs by the AP, Times Picayune or cbree88, and congratulations to them.

Before the season USC, like every other team, agreed that the BCS Champion was the REAL champion.