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re: Passing to win. Running to lose.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:18 am to RedTigerRulz
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:18 am to RedTigerRulz
First, I'm pretty happy this thread has turned out fairly well in terms of decent football talk. I'm not going to counter everything said except for the comments about balance. We're averaging 400 yards a game roughly. Tell me the difference between 200 yards passing and 200 yards running vs 300 yards running and 100 yards passing. If the amount is the same what is the difference? I saw someone say I had no football knowledge. While I never played at the collegiate level, I was fortunate enough to play in high school at Ocean Springs with Travis Dickson.
Balance is preferred. No doubt. But it is not necessary. Auburn in 2013 made it to the NC by pretty much just running the ball. TCU and Baylor just passes and Georgia tech runs for the most part. The difference isn't their need of balance. It's their ability to at least be competent in the other category when necessary.
But I digress, thanks for some good answers. Let's me truly see where we all stand
Balance is preferred. No doubt. But it is not necessary. Auburn in 2013 made it to the NC by pretty much just running the ball. TCU and Baylor just passes and Georgia tech runs for the most part. The difference isn't their need of balance. It's their ability to at least be competent in the other category when necessary.
But I digress, thanks for some good answers. Let's me truly see where we all stand
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Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:21 am to Lsupimp
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I'll have been proven wrong.
but there is no way to prove that. I am not saying there is a right or a wrong way.
I personally think he would excel if given the opportunity to throw 30x a game...but with LF and our oline I don't think that is neccesary
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:21 am to RedTigerRulz
quote:I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that there's no such thing as an LSU alumnus who lives in New York who is jealous of an LSU tshirt fan who lives in a Houston suburb.
your just jealous cuz I'm HERE going to the games and you're stuck in that yankee schit hole and can only watch on TV. dont hate!
Me : You :: Me that time I went to the zoo in high school : The caged monkey who threw a turd at me and laughed at me when the turd landed about 40 feet from me
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:23 am to USARMYDasher
I also want to add that all football games cannot be read directly on paper. There are ebb and flows of any game. Penalties. Sequences. The game on paper doesn't tell the whole story. For just ONE example, a lot of the frustration with the team this year has been the sloppiness of penalties. And while that shows up in the stat sheet you don't see when it showed up. For example having 3rd and 4 picking it up but with a holding call that turns it into 3rd and 14 and essentially forces a punt. Here passing or running was irrelevant to the stats because an outside variable was inserted.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:24 am to ballscaster
Again funnier in your head I'm sure. Get off the shrooms dude. And where the hell did you get Houston from?
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:25 am to USARMYDasher
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Tell me the difference between 200 yards passing and 200 yards running vs 300 yards running and 100 yards passing.
When I talk about balanced (I actually say more balanced...which doesn't mean 50/50...just not as much of a disparity in run/pass)it has nothing to do with yardage totals. It is more about keeping the defense guessing.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:32 am to ballscaster
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You want this to happen so bad.
No one wants that to happen.
But, you seem to think that it isn't even a possibility that a good defense can stop our run game.
What's your answer when out run game gets held in check? You don't have one and right now neither does Les.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:33 am to USARMYDasher
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Auburn in 2013 made it to the NC by pretty much just running the ball.
Auburn's 2013 run game and LSU's run game are not similar at all. With Auburn, you never know who or where the ball is going to be run. With LSU, it's more of a "here we come, try and stop us" type of thing.
Of course, Auburn's 2015 run game pales in comparison to LSU's 2015 run game.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:36 am to beauchristopher
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l i ask is that when they do load up and we are so predictable it is causing 3 and outs t
Every team LSU has played has more 3 and outs. People tend to exaggerate everything on this board. No one noticed we threw it on first down 3 times in a row, and we were doing on plays that there was a high % chance of a run, backed up in our side of the field, and in the red zone.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:36 am to reed morton
I agree about the penalties. We have to be more disciplined.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:38 am to LACountyTiger
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at's your answer when out run game gets held in check? You don't have one and right now neither does Les.
do you watch the games? They can throw it all day if they need to. you give Harris 2 of those drops and he's close to if not over 200 yards. that will get us undefeated.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:40 am to Topwater Trout
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hen I talk about balanced (I actually say more balanced...which doesn't mean 50/50...just not as much of a disparity in run/pass)it has nothing to do with yardage totals. It is more about keeping the defense guessing.
See my post above, we threw it on first down 3 times in a row. I know that's not the balance you speak of, but we haven't seen that since 2013. That is keeping the defense guessing. and now every team has that on tape moving toward. The threat of pass is there.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:43 am to USARMYDasher
When WE get beat by a good defense because THEY shut down the run, and OUR passing game is crap, then it'll be easier to explain to YOU why we need a passing game.
We gave up 21 points to Syracuse. We will undoubtedly play better offenses. When one of those offenses gets ahead and we are forced to pass, YOULL wish we had a passing game.
Don't get ME, wrong, I love pounding teams with LF. But at some point, that won't be enough.
We gave up 21 points to Syracuse. We will undoubtedly play better offenses. When one of those offenses gets ahead and we are forced to pass, YOULL wish we had a passing game.
Don't get ME, wrong, I love pounding teams with LF. But at some point, that won't be enough.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:45 am to dgnx6
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you give Harris 2 of those drops and he's close to if not over 200 yards.
That's not how it works.
If I just imagine he threw for another 150 yards, he would have had 300.
There are drops and part of that is because we are not getting the WRs enough game reps.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:45 am to Choupique19
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With Auburn, you never know who or where the ball is going to be run.
Don't totally agree. They ran mostly power and counter with Mason.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:46 am to LACountyTiger
quote:
What's your answer when out run game gets held in check? You don't have one and right now neither does Les.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:46 am to RedTigerRulz
quote:You mean you live someplace even worse?
And where the hell did you get Houston from?
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:50 am to c on z
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With Auburn, you never know who or where the ball is going to be run.
Don't totally agree. They ran mostly power and counter with Mason.
It's debatable.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 12:02 pm to SaturdayTraditions
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If it ain't broke don't fix it.
I am as thrilled as everyone else with LF7 and hope that he gets the attempts necessary to win the Heisman on the way to a NC or two. My concern with the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" idea, is that waiting until the running game is stifled may not be the most opportune time to work on "fixing it" with the passing game. Mark me in the column with those that hope to develop some timing and confidence in the passing game, before it becomes an absolute necessity. Odds are that it will be necessary before the season is over. For the record, I don't give a crap about the actual number of running yards vs passing yards. I'm more concerned about the confidence of players with the passing game, should it become a necessity. The sacks and drops against Syracuse seem to indicate that additional reps in that area, during game time, might be a reasonable approach.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 12:06 pm to USARMYDasher
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First. I don't personally care about yardage, play calling, passing or running emphasis. I appreciate wins. Don't care if it comes the prettiest way or the ugliest. But seems to be a lot of.. Backseat coaching.
I personally like the running game as it is but going into SEC play we have to be more efficient passing. It is the dropped passes more than the relatively low number of pass attempts that have me concerned. If we had a more effective passing game then the opposing defenses would have to respect that. I look for more passing this week and actually expect it for the SC game also.
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