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re: Out of state tuition and room and board is about 50k per year

Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:22 am to
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:22 am to
Of course they aren’t profitable.

I’m not mad if they are getting money. Who do you have beef with? All of this is free choice
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:23 am to
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Of course they aren’t profitable.
Well you brought up the real world example of what an employee would feel…

So how should a business feel when they are loosing 100s of thousands on an employee?

You want to do real world then 99% of college athletes get zero scholarships, pay their own way everywhere, while a select few get paid a shite ton

That would be the “real world example”

I don’t give a shite if they get paid, but the NCAA is a private establishment. They should have been allowed to set their own rules on what is required of their member. The ncaa was not given “free choice”

The ncaa should be allowed to make their rules and the athlete should be feee to go elsewhere. Thats actually “free choice”
This post was edited on 12/7/24 at 10:27 am
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:27 am to
Who do you have beef with in the situation? It’s unclear

I don’t care if a business willingly compensates someone & losses money. Lmao
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:27 am to
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Who do you have beef with in the situation? It’s unclear
The actually ruling where the NCAA is being forced, against their free choice, of the rules they set for their members



The ncaa should be able to have their rules, and if the players want to get paid or the schools don’t like the rules they go elsewhere. That’s free choice
This post was edited on 12/7/24 at 10:30 am
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
27943 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:31 am to
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Players like Joe Burrow made far more $$ for their university than what their scholarship was worth


And how many players make “millions” for their university?

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The folks trashing kids for NIL never seem to mention the millions upon millions that high level coaches and AD have been making for decades


That sucks too…BUT at some point it’s adults vs kids. Should HS athletes get a percentage of the gate at football games? What about parents that only go because their kid is in band? Maybe band members need to get some money too.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
13783 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:32 am to
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Film, weights, class, study hall, and practice. Did I miss the grueling schedule?

I know exactly what goes into it. It is 100x better than any “job” out there, since you all love to throw the word around. Nothing like getting an all expense paid plus a salary for playing a game.

Holy shite, you think just because athletes have a more enjoyable job than you, that they shouldn't be paid. It's incredible.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:33 am to
Legitimate question, do y'all believe that players should not be able to profit off of themselves just because they play sports?
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:34 am to
The system is what triggers most people but they do not know how to communicate it.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:39 am to
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Obviously, hundreds of thousands of student athletes found enough value in it to voluntarily sign up for it.

So, again, your original premise is kind of moot.


Of course there is value in it. They are also open to make money now through NIL, and the same people you are speaking about have no market in that regard. Compared to athletes that have the talent to possibly play football professionally
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104884 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:39 am to
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Legitimate question, do y'all believe that players should not be able to profit off of themselves just because they play sports?
I beleive players should be able to but I also beleive an organization should be able to not allow it if they choose as well

Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:40 am to
Imo people are just being stubborn and hate the change of the game. They dig in their heels and try to debate as much as they can but that’s the simple truth.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
13783 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:42 am to
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I beleive players should be able to but I also beleive an organization should be able to not allow it if they choose as well

So if a player has a successful YouTube channel you think the NCAA should be able to ban him from making any money off of that?
Posted by tiger09
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
226 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:42 am to
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I feel like it’s the talking idiot heads on ESPN that spoke all this NIL shite into existence and teams leaving conferences. Why was a good thing ruined or needed to be changed?


With the utmost sincerity I ask if you realize ESPN did not start this? It was the United States Supreme Court who ruled against the NCAA in their efforts to limit education-related compensation for student-athletes. The USSC said the NCAA violated antitrust laws.
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
27943 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:43 am to
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That's nothing compared to what the athletes are making for the school.


I keep seeing this. How do you determine who makes what? What value does a 3rd string QB add to the program?

Sure, Burrow made LSU money, but how do quantify it? How much money does LSU get for advancing to 3 postseason games and winning? This includes merch sales, tickets, TV revenue. What is an acceptable amount for the university to take?

Whatever the players profit is, how do you determine what amount goes to what player? This is much more complex than “these guys make millions.”
Posted by CovingtonTigre
In your head Werder
Member since Mar 2021
1408 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:43 am to
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t give a shite if they get paid, but the NCAA is a private establishment


Antitrust
Posted by stein69
Metairie
Member since Oct 2007
417 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:44 am to
why do you care if the school isn’t paying them? it comes from private donors/companies.
Posted by rintintin
Life is Life
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:47 am to
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Of course there is value in it.


Then I hope you agree that your original statement on page 1 doesn't really make sense.

I'm not arguing whether they should or shouldn't be able to make NIL money. I'm arguing that your comparison to a regular profession is not a good comparison.
Posted by stein69
Metairie
Member since Oct 2007
417 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:47 am to
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Playing football and Taking PE classes isn’t work


it is a full time job that is taxing on your body and mental health and requires a very heavy and regulated schedule. It is more difficult that many jobs. Live that life and tell me it’s not work. Regardless, folks should be able to capitalize on their worth.
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
27943 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:50 am to
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Legitimate question, do y'all believe that players should not be able to profit off of themselves just because they play sports?


Athletes should be able to make money off of their likeness. NIL in theory is fine. Pay for pay makes it pro sports.

Why stop at college athletes? In Texas, a state championship football game can draw 40,000. Where’s the money for those players? Again, some people go to the game JUST because their kid is in the band or cheerleading. Give those kids money.

Are we going to give some 12 year old gymnast money because tickets were sold for $3 at her gymnastics meet?

After all, it’s capitalism.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
285297 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:50 am to
Does everyone make the same amount of money where you work?
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