re: Our fans complete overvalue our Program (Crean related)

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So, in essence, you are saying Crean isn't good enough to have success at a school like LSU...and that his success was a function of being at Indiana with its built in advantages?

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Essentially, yes.

And before you start, Marquette is also a better program than LSU

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Thats even more of a red flag

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While I agree that it looks like he has a recruiting problem...

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He couldn't convince guys to stay in state at Indiana,

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It's a state that also has Notre Dame, Valparaiso, Purdue, and Butler.


I would rather have Davis than Crean, but to pretend that Crean can't coach just because Indiana fired is just dumb.

Again, I don't want Crean, but he would be a huge upgrade over anything we have had in years.

Keats is young, and has coached under Marshal and Pitino

Since being a head coach, he has won his conference all three years.


That is the type of coach I would like to see us get.

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Program Success since 1990

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How does recent success correlate to the resources that could make a program successful? By that logic, LSU in 1999 sounds like a awful destination to try and be successful.

I don't think anyone would argue Indiana has a better basketball program than LSU's but to attribute Crean's success to their program and not his coaching is shortsighted. Do you say the same thing for his success at Marquette?

With our facilities, local talent, and the fact that the SEC isn't in the same stratosphere as the Big Ten in terms of basketball competition, lead me to believe his success at Indiana certainly could be duplicated here.

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I have a hard time believing this.

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Here you go.

LINK

Love how you went to 1990. 1. The SEC was as dominant as any conference the first 5 years of that era with Arky and LSU and U.K. Killing it.
In the 1980's we regularly were very good on par with IU and Bobby Knight. No doubt IU was successful because they had one of the greatest minds that ever coached basketball regardless of how much of a dick he was. Coach K is the same dick tree as Knight and everybody loves that a-hole.
2. You can't compare ANY program from the Midwest to the south as far as basketball. I lived in Kansas City Kansas and without a doubt basketball dominates football with the exception of Neb football which hadn't been relevant since the 80's. Recruiting is MUCH harder.
What does it matter recruiting wise in your state anymore? Even Daddy Dale knew that as a lot of the guys he brought in were from Kentucky, LA, Texas, Chicago, Australia, the Islands, etc. My point is recruiting is about name recognition for the coach and what He can do to get his guys to the next level.
How many IU players are on NBA rosters right now that he coached? That's a more telling sign of how well he coaches or not. If there are more than most squads, he could be Les Miles - get talent and not meet expectations.
There are so many more factors than you listed that impacts a hiring decision.
The bottom line is LSU is NEVER paying 7MM for a coach like Duke does because we don't have the facilities to sell suites and fans willing to shell out the $$$. I'm not sure fans want basketball to have that kind of success like we did in the 80's. It was fun having season tickets then for sure.

BTW - here is Dukes last 5 years results for 7MM/. 5, 3, 2, 1 NC. That's what you get with the best talent and 7MM. Is it worth it? At Duke yes. Here? No.

Just out of curiosity is there a reason you didn't mention his time at Marquette?

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Love how you went to 1990. 1. The SEC was as dominant as any conference the first 5 years of that era with Arky and LSU and U.K. Killing it.
In the 1980's we regularly were very good on par with IU and Bobby Knight

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Ok

How bout I do all time

Championships

IU- 5

LSU-0

runner ups

IU-1

LSU-0

Final Fours

IU-8

LSU-4

Elite 8s

IU-11

LSU-6

Sweet 16s

IU-22

LSU-9

Appearances

IU-39

LSU-21





I was being nice to LSU only doing it from 1990 on........

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1- He'll be competing in a weaker conference.
2- He'll be in an athletic department that makes much more money overall, although there's no telling how much of that would be spent on basketball.
3- He won't have to worry about getting fired for producing the results he did at IU.

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1. Weaker but not dramatically weaker. Then there is the problem of keeping your players motivated in games they are supposed to win. 2. How does more money (aside from facilities and coaches) mean more wins, siince we aren't supposed to be paying our players? 3. Give us back to back tournaments, then have a bad year, get back in the tournament but then have a really talented, highly rated team that beats powerhouses early in the season but doesn't make the tournament. You don't think the negatigers would be out in force howling for blood?