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re: Our fan base has no idea what holding is
Posted on 11/6/17 at 9:36 am to ibleedprplngld
Posted on 11/6/17 at 9:36 am to ibleedprplngld
Are you saying that Bama didn't hold?
...cause you would be wrong.
On one of Keys hurries, Gary said something along the lines "the OT held him... well don't hold him"... right Gary. It was obvious on some plays, which Gary had to walk back that time.
...cause you would be wrong.
On one of Keys hurries, Gary said something along the lines "the OT held him... well don't hold him"... right Gary. It was obvious on some plays, which Gary had to walk back that time.
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Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:03 am to ibleedprplngld
Pulling someone down from behind is holding and Arden Key got held a couple times. I agree with most of what you say and the fact remains we had chances to score and didn't get it done
Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:07 am to ibleedprplngld
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Those of you screaming for years that Bama gets away with holding have no idea what you're talking about.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:14 am to the LSUSaint
quote:true
If the defender gets pulled down to the ground, and the OTs hands are OUTSIDE OF HIS BODY, it's is supposed to be called.
quote:why the frick don't we do it? Why don't we teach our guys to do same.
The LT did it all night and has mastered his holding by falling to the ground with the defensive player, making it look like it was a mutual fall.
It is clear as day and I could show you minimum 6 times the LT did it.
In the few non-LSU games I've been able to watch this year I've seen ND, MI, UF, and AU do it. If it's about "honor" somebody needs to be shot.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:17 am to ibleedprplngld
Our ends were being hooked around the neck and Key was pulled down by his jersey. None of those were called.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:17 am to ibleedprplngld
quote:
Down vote away
Gladly.
You earned it.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:19 am to ibleedprplngld
quote:
'm genuinely curious how many of you played football growing up? The number one rule for a DLineman is "Don't let them get their hands on you". Those of you screaming for years that Bama gets away with holding have no idea what you're talking about. An olineman having a firm grasp between the shoulder pads is NOT holding
ATTENTION EVERYONE
ATTENTION PLEASE
WE HAVE AN EXPERT ON HOLDING IN OUR MIDST.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:22 am to BayouCowboy
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I think most people get that. However, go back and watch how many times Key gets the edge on the OT and the guy has his arm around Key's shoulder and neck as he gets past him. They called it once, but it happened multiple times.
This.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:24 am to ibleedprplngld
I agree. All the bitching about refs and s pathetic
Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:25 am to ibleedprplngld
The rules say otherwise. The hands must be either open with the palms facing the opposing player or closed with the backs of the hands facing the opposing player. The player may NOT grasp, encircle, clamp, etc. any part of the opposing player to hinder him.
As others have said, Key was tackled to prevent a sack and nothing was called.
As others have said, Key was tackled to prevent a sack and nothing was called.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:30 am to ibleedprplngld
I generally agree with your statements here. I take exception with one thing, for clarity sake only because I think you mean what I'm about to say.
It can be, actually, but usually isn't. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the defensive player is turning away or moving passed the O lineman it can be called holding. Effectively, the D lineman has to be in front of you and your hands effectively inside your shoulders (they'll generally give you a little leeway). once both of the guys feet is outside of your feet, you're probably holding.
I thought I saw one other, that stuff happens in every game.
I think LSU's corners got away with several more PIs than Alabama did. Don't care because that's how the refs were calling for both teams. 5 LSU peenalties, 3 were false starts and clearly self induced false starts. 1 was a block in the back during a punt return and legit, one was a facemask and legit as well. 1 Bama penalty - holding.
Have an upvote sir
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An olineman having a firm grasp between the shoulder pads is NOT holding
It can be, actually, but usually isn't. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the defensive player is turning away or moving passed the O lineman it can be called holding. Effectively, the D lineman has to be in front of you and your hands effectively inside your shoulders (they'll generally give you a little leeway). once both of the guys feet is outside of your feet, you're probably holding.
quote:I actually think they do a bit more but not astonishingly more and I don't think it's a conspiracy by the SEC office or refs.
Those of you screaming for years that Bama gets away with holding
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There was ONE missed holding call that I saw all game on Bama
I thought I saw one other, that stuff happens in every game.
quote:
LSU actually got away with 2-3.
I think LSU's corners got away with several more PIs than Alabama did. Don't care because that's how the refs were calling for both teams. 5 LSU peenalties, 3 were false starts and clearly self induced false starts. 1 was a block in the back during a punt return and legit, one was a facemask and legit as well. 1 Bama penalty - holding.
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Point is, LSU lost because they couldn't score. Period, end of discussion.
quote:
Down vote away.
Have an upvote sir
Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:54 am to the LSUSaint
it appeared that way to me as well, but hey, I am sure that LSU linemen did that and worse to the Gumps.... 
Posted on 11/6/17 at 11:01 am to ibleedprplngld
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An olineman having a firm grasp between the shoulder pads is NOT holding.
You do realize that's not actually the rule, right?
Posted on 11/6/17 at 11:04 am to ibleedprplngld
Kevin is that you?
Bama had more than one missed call. LSU had more missed calls. But the blatant, and I mean blatant tackling of Key was so obvious.
And a firm grasp between the pads quickly turns into a takedown which is holding.
thanks.
Bama had more than one missed call. LSU had more missed calls. But the blatant, and I mean blatant tackling of Key was so obvious.
And a firm grasp between the pads quickly turns into a takedown which is holding.
thanks.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 11:40 am to Fratigerguy
quote:it isn’t the rule but it has been taught that way and not called since they invented the forward pass
do realize that's not actually the rule, right?
Posted on 11/6/17 at 11:49 am to tigerfoot
There was a play where LaCouture was tackling the RB and the OL was holding his other arm pulling him away from the tackle. No flag was called.
Apparently you don't either. The OL can not grab a defender and hold him, it's pretty simple. Yes, they let a lot go uncalled or there would he holding called every single play of the game.
quote:
Our fan base has no idea what holding is
Apparently you don't either. The OL can not grab a defender and hold him, it's pretty simple. Yes, they let a lot go uncalled or there would he holding called every single play of the game.
quote:
The hand(s) and arm(s) shall not be used to grasp, pull, hook, clamp or encircle in any way that illegally impedes or illegally obstructs an opponent.
This post was edited on 11/6/17 at 11:59 am
Posted on 11/6/17 at 11:52 am to the LSUSaint
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The LT did it all night and has mastered his holding by falling to the ground with the defensive player, making it look like it was a mutual fall.
Sounds like great coaching to me
Posted on 11/6/17 at 12:21 pm to offshoretrash
quote:Incorrect, they let ALL go uncalled that is how the OP described. Cause if you are inside the pads, and in position, it is not holding.
Yes, they let a lot go uncalled or there would he holding called every single play of the game.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 12:31 pm to ibleedprplngld
I've been a Tiger since 1966. I lived through the Bear Bryant days and now the Nick Saban dynasty. If you think Alabama doesn't get preferential calls/treatment you're delusional. The tighter the game the more calls go 'bamas way.
FACT!
FACT!
Posted on 11/6/17 at 12:41 pm to tigerfoot
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it isn’t the rule but it has been taught that way and not called since they invented the forward pass
Made a lot of NCAA refs' clinics, have you?
The fact of the matter is he is trying to call out fans who are interpreting the rule as written, and saying they don't know the rule. That's simply not the case. Look, rulesets in pretty much any sport are written in a very specific way and enforced to those written words. There may be case plays on certain rules for clarification to help. Otherwise, they are to be taken literally as they are written. To insinuate that those who both write and enforce the rules would say "the rule says this, but we will ignore that and not enforce it", is absolutely silly. They would simply change the rule to meet what they feel is a better way to do it.
The reason you don't see holding on the inside between the shoulders called much is because they can't see it. Not because they make a concerted effort to not call it.
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