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O’s obsession with recreating the 2019 offense brought us here.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:18 am
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:18 am
When he was looking for a new coordinator, I cringed every time I heard him say that he wanted “the Joe Brady offense” or “the 2019 offense” or “the spread.” He even went straight to Joe Brady to beg him to recommend someone who could run the 2019 offense. O did all of this publicly, and it reeked of someone who lacked confidence in his own abilities as a coach and a manager. Instead of looking for someone who was innovative and smart, he just wanted someone who would mimic the 2019 scheme. There are a lot of problems with this, the biggest being that Joe Burrow was not walking through that door.
I feel sorry for Peetz. He might be a future superstar. But he is tasked with fulfilling O’s sexual fantasy of recreating 2019, which is impossible. He should be untethered to run what works. Make running the ball a priority, for starters.
So yeah, O is not right in the head. Something is amiss.
I feel sorry for Peetz. He might be a future superstar. But he is tasked with fulfilling O’s sexual fantasy of recreating 2019, which is impossible. He should be untethered to run what works. Make running the ball a priority, for starters.
So yeah, O is not right in the head. Something is amiss.
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Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:20 am to Slippy
oh man why would any coach want to mimic the most successful offense in school history...what a terrible thing for a coach to want 
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:22 am to Slippy
Not replacing Cregg earlier and the Bo Pelini debacle is really what got us here. That and O inevitably reverting to his old self.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:23 am to Slippy
O’s fascination in recreating the 90’s USC defenses is what brought us here
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:28 am to Slippy
To OP point I too also find it very strange how often O would speak about recreating a former coordinators offense. You can recreate schemes and mimic certain plays but what worked in 2019 and for burrow doesn’t mean it will work for this team and Johnson. A good coordinator work his offense around the talent and type of players he has. Seems like unreal expectations for Peetz to recreate the best season ever. Let peetz use schemes he learned from Brady but also let him do his own thing
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:29 am to saturncube21
quote:This X1000000
O’s fascination in recreating the 90’s USC defenses is what brought us here
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:29 am to Slippy
The biggest problem is that O has no idea what happened that magical year of 2019. It's obvious when he speaks about 'replicating' it. Like you say, it's cringe worthy because it shows he wouldn't even know it if he saw it. So he has to keep going back and bugging Brady about what it was and suggestions.
Here's a hint O, it was multiple things that are all gone now. Most importantly it was the stepping up of Joe Burrow who fully took on the leadership role and pushed the WR to catch balls off the juggs machine until they couldn't stand it anymore. He pushed them to get better. I'm willing to bet he pushed Brady to come up and tweak plays and sets to what was needed. Then he went out and played his arse off and led the team.
You can try to recreate 2019, but that type of leadership and team is very rare. It's kind of like how he demands a 4-3 and smiles a little wry smile everytime he talks about it, but deep inside all he knows is that you get another lineman and he's a lineman coach so more is better right?
Here's a hint O, it was multiple things that are all gone now. Most importantly it was the stepping up of Joe Burrow who fully took on the leadership role and pushed the WR to catch balls off the juggs machine until they couldn't stand it anymore. He pushed them to get better. I'm willing to bet he pushed Brady to come up and tweak plays and sets to what was needed. Then he went out and played his arse off and led the team.
You can try to recreate 2019, but that type of leadership and team is very rare. It's kind of like how he demands a 4-3 and smiles a little wry smile everytime he talks about it, but deep inside all he knows is that you get another lineman and he's a lineman coach so more is better right?
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:30 am to Slippy
quote:Because the run game has worked so well?
He should be untethered to run what works. Make running the ball a priority, for starters.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:32 am to Slippy
Do you ever hear Nick Saban saying we need to recreate what we did last year, or any year?
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:32 am to Topwater Trout
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oh man why would any coach want to mimic the most successful offense in school history
Some coaches may, but good ones wouldn’t. They would want to continue to progress and get better, not just keep going back to the same well that produced two years ago.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:33 am to Slippy
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recreating the 2019
So does every single college in the country...idiot
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:47 am to TheChosenOne
Went from wanting the 2005 USC offense to the 2019 LSU offense, not to mention the 1990 Miami defense.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:47 am to Slippy
It's not a bad thing to try to recreate the 2019 offense (to the greatest extent possible). But that leads to a second question. If in O's search for a new OC he wanted someone to run the "Joe Brady offense" does that mean the team DID NOT run the "Joe Brady offense" in 2020? If so, why not? Ensminger...who was (technically) the OC in 2019 was still in the booth in 2020. Was he incapable of orchestrating the same plays/concepts he was a part of orchestrating in 2019?
The more realistic answer is that Ed doesn't really know, from a conceptual or play calling level, what the "Joe Brady offense" is. He just knows he wants "that"! In fact, he doesn't really understand offensive football at all. So when you have really no idea what you are looking for you don't really know how to find it. So he simply goes to Brady and says "who can do what you did?" Brady can give him a name. In fact, there are probably several guys who can run the same offense. Unfortunately, that doesn't account for the fact that whoever will be running the offense isn't Joe Burrow. So, in isolation, it is easy to say "lets just run that offense". But the best OC's run the plays/concepts that best fit their personnel.
That's O's deficiency. He's a simpleton when it comes to the x's and o's of the game. He wants the "Joe Brady offense" or a defense like Pete Carroll's USC teams, but he doesn't really understand beyond the surface level of those teams had good players what made those offenses/defenses good. So he doesn't really understand what he is looking for when he is looking for coordinators. Maybe you want to run a 4-3 "attacking" defense. But have you considered perhaps you don't have the personnel to do so or the way offensive football is played today makes such approach less likely to succeed in 2021 as it did in 2005?
Hell, even the great Nick Saban knows he has to constantly adapt to the way the game is being played. His teams today don't have the same approach they had in 2003, or 2008, or 2011. For his part, O looks at it as "well, I was the DL coach at USC in 2004 and that defense was great...so let's run that defense"...not accounting for the fact that was nearly 20 years ago.
The CEO model CAN work. But it only works if Ed accepts he's a football simpleton, hires great coordinators, and lets THEM dictate the on field approach. The post 2019 downfall is not simply a result of Brady, Aranda, and some great players moving on. It's the result of an HC thinking he knows more about how the game should be played than he does. We all blamed Pelini. But (as made clearly evident on Sat. night) the reality is the defense completely collapsed the moment Ed decided he was going to implement HIS approach rather than hire the "best coordinators" to implement THEIR approach.
The more realistic answer is that Ed doesn't really know, from a conceptual or play calling level, what the "Joe Brady offense" is. He just knows he wants "that"! In fact, he doesn't really understand offensive football at all. So when you have really no idea what you are looking for you don't really know how to find it. So he simply goes to Brady and says "who can do what you did?" Brady can give him a name. In fact, there are probably several guys who can run the same offense. Unfortunately, that doesn't account for the fact that whoever will be running the offense isn't Joe Burrow. So, in isolation, it is easy to say "lets just run that offense". But the best OC's run the plays/concepts that best fit their personnel.
That's O's deficiency. He's a simpleton when it comes to the x's and o's of the game. He wants the "Joe Brady offense" or a defense like Pete Carroll's USC teams, but he doesn't really understand beyond the surface level of those teams had good players what made those offenses/defenses good. So he doesn't really understand what he is looking for when he is looking for coordinators. Maybe you want to run a 4-3 "attacking" defense. But have you considered perhaps you don't have the personnel to do so or the way offensive football is played today makes such approach less likely to succeed in 2021 as it did in 2005?
Hell, even the great Nick Saban knows he has to constantly adapt to the way the game is being played. His teams today don't have the same approach they had in 2003, or 2008, or 2011. For his part, O looks at it as "well, I was the DL coach at USC in 2004 and that defense was great...so let's run that defense"...not accounting for the fact that was nearly 20 years ago.
The CEO model CAN work. But it only works if Ed accepts he's a football simpleton, hires great coordinators, and lets THEM dictate the on field approach. The post 2019 downfall is not simply a result of Brady, Aranda, and some great players moving on. It's the result of an HC thinking he knows more about how the game should be played than he does. We all blamed Pelini. But (as made clearly evident on Sat. night) the reality is the defense completely collapsed the moment Ed decided he was going to implement HIS approach rather than hire the "best coordinators" to implement THEIR approach.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:51 am to Damone
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Some coaches may, but good ones wouldn’t. They would want to continue to progress and get better, not just keep going back to the same well that produced two years ago.
natural progression is to improve but if you don't have the pieces needed you can't. You would be one of the ones expecting improvement after losing best qb in program history, 2 of our best wr in history and a great rb. The oline looked great b/c of the qb and the decisions he made
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:54 am to Topwater Trout
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oh man why would any coach want to mimic the most successful offense in school history...what a terrible thing for a coach to want
Well when you stumble upon said offense by dumb luck, it's pretty hard to recreate. He's really just paying lip service to it if we're being honest. "Brady knows this guy so let's hire him!"
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:55 am to Topwater Trout
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You would be one of the ones expecting improvement after losing best qb in program history, 2 of our best wr in history and a great rb.
That was last year...
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:57 am to lsu2006
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Well when you stumble upon said offense by dumb luck, it's pretty hard to recreate
His hiring of Brady is no different than the 2 coordinators he hired last yr
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He's really just paying lip service to it if we're being honest. "Brady knows this guy so let's hire him!"
What should he have done? find a completely different offense to run? Why wouldn't he want to try to stick with our most successful offense? Seems like ppl were happy with the hire
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:57 am to Slippy
Of all the critique, this one is unwarranted. Hell, Saban himself went to an offense that lived off the RPO and was public about it. That is what he deems will give his team the best shot at winning.
The LSU offense of 2019 did a whole lot of good, set record offensive numbers. Yes, it did benefit from Burrow, CEH, Jefferson, Chase and Marshall, but it was a good scheme.
O has never coached the offensive side, much like many coaches.
The LSU offense of 2019 did a whole lot of good, set record offensive numbers. Yes, it did benefit from Burrow, CEH, Jefferson, Chase and Marshall, but it was a good scheme.
O has never coached the offensive side, much like many coaches.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:00 am to Slippy
This was my main reservation. We had the greatest player in our program also taking virtually no classes in his fifth year. Those results are gonna be really hard to reproduce.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:01 am to Slippy
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So yeah, O is not right in the head. Something is amiss.
this is who he has always been.
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