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re: O’s obsession with recreating the 2019 offense brought us here.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:03 am to Topwater Trout
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:03 am to Topwater Trout
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His hiring of Brady is no different than the 2 coordinators he hired last yr
And by dumb luck Brady ended up being a savant and was able to unlock Burrow's potential.
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What should he have done? find a completely different offense to run?
Herein lies the issue I was getting at. He doesn't actually know anything about the offensive side of the ball so he just throws stuff at the wall with a surface-level hope that the pieces will fall together and we'll have a 2019-esque offense.
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Seems like ppl were happy with the hire
So what?
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Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:06 am to Topwater Trout
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His hiring of Brady is no different than the 2 coordinators he hired last yr
Except O didn’t seek him out and hire him. Ensminger met him and talked shop with him, then went to O and said we have to bring this guy in he’s good.
O pumpers may see that as a distinction without a difference, but it is clearly more indicative of how those hires should be viewed as O has never been able to come close to having successful hires otherwise.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:07 am to Alt26
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We all blamed Pelini. But (as made clearly evident on Sat. night) the reality is the defense completely collapsed the moment Ed decided he was going to implement HIS approach rather than hire the "best coordinators" to implement THEIR approach.
EXACTLY. A year later we still cannot cover a crossing route. Linebackers still look lost. I feel bad for Blake Baker and Daronte Jones. With a head coach demanding schemes and techniques that offenses figured out 20 years ago.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:17 am to Slippy
quote:you just won stupidest post of the year
O’s sexual fantasy
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:25 am to lsu2006
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Herein lies the issue I was getting at. He doesn't actually know anything about the offensive side of the ball so he just throws stuff at the wall with a surface-level hope that the pieces will fall together and we'll have a 2019-esque offense.
he came in and since day one wanted a wide open spread offense...that is what we have. You do realize we need the players to run the offense right? Also we had one game this year with a very inexperienced QB.
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And by dumb luck Brady ended up being a savant and was able to unlock Burrow's potential.
And he trusted Brady's recommendation with this hire. The running game and blocking need to improve but I think that has as much to do with execution as anything. We have played 1 game
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:27 am to Damone
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Except O didn’t seek him out and hire him. Ensminger met him and talked shop with him, then went to O and said we have to bring this guy in he’s good.
O pumpers may see that as a distinction without a difference, but it is clearly more indicative of how those hires should be viewed as O has never been able to come close to having successful hires otherwise.
and the fact he did this goes completely against the idea that O hires ppl he chooses without consulting others. Brady was consulted...he didn't just hire this guy on a whim
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:30 am to mikethetigerdc
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Do you ever hear Nick Saban saying we need to recreate what we did last year, or any year?
Alabama is elite on both sides of the ball basiucally every year so he doesn't need to. It's also getting really old correlating everyone to Saban. Saban is a unicorn. There is no one else like him in college football. Not trying to single you out, but it gets really old constantly comparing what we do, whether it be with Orgeron or previously with Miles, to what Nick Saban is doing or has done. Yes, he's the standard, but not even his former long-time assistants have come close to creating the machine he has elsewhere, so it's not just a question of "what would Saban do?"
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:33 am to Topwater Trout
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You do realize we need the players to run the offense right? Also we had one game this year with a very inexperienced QB.
Why can Alabama do this with a new coordinator, half a new o line and a QB who has fewer starts than ours?
What about Texas, who started a true freshman QB last week?
Ohio State started a freshman
Notre Dame started a grad transfer who hadn't played since 2019
Stop making excuses. Well coached teams can execute. We are not well coached.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:33 am to Slippy
I think the standard it set for fans will probably be more problematic going forward.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:37 am to Not Cooper
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Why can Alabama do this with a new coordinator, half a new o line and a QB who has fewer starts than ours?
What about Texas, who started a true freshman QB last week?
Ohio State started a freshman
Notre Dame started a grad transfer who hadn't played since 2019
Stop making excuses. Well coached teams can execute. We are not well coached.
Just give O time...just a few more years!
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:40 am to Not Cooper
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Why can Alabama do this with a new coordinator, half a new o line and a QB who has fewer starts than ours?
we aren't bama...why didn't you mention Clemson? how did they do with a new qb?
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Stop making excuses. Well coached teams can execute. We are not well coached.
ND defense, OU as a team didn't execute well do they have bad coaching?
This post was edited on 9/9/21 at 9:41 am
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:40 am to Topwater Trout
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he came in and since day one wanted a wide open spread offense
Lol. He's said he wants like 10 different offense since he was hired.
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You do realize we need the players to run the offense right?
Damn, if only he could recruit.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:43 am to lsu2006
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He's said he wants like 10 different offense since he was hired.
bull shite
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Damn, if only he could recruit.
This year is done because we got beat by a team we were favored to beat by 3?
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:44 am to Topwater Trout
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oh man why would any coach want to mimic the most successful offense in school history...what a terrible thing for a coach to want
If he wanted it that badly, why not retain as many of the assistants, GA’s, and analysts from that staff?
Instead, O’s pride got the best of him and he wanted to prove he could win without the dream team. The result was the worst season since DiNardo.
O is finished. The really sad part is, he failed in such spectacular fashion week 1, that the next 12 weeks will be a waiting game to see if it gets so bad that he loses his job in season.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:48 am to Topwater Trout
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bull shite
OK. I guess you just forgot all the talk about wanting to recreate early-2000s USC. Then he brought in Matt Canada. Then Steve Ensminger for some reason. Then a complete unknown in Joe Brady who happened to be a genius in RPOs and modern offenses. It's OK for you to admit he has no clue what he's doing on offense and just says what he thinks people want to hear. Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:50 am to Topwater Trout
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OU as a team didn't execute well do they have bad coaching?
I don't get it, is OU supposed to be happy they almost lost to Tulane? Their fans are probably rightfully infuriated.
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why didn't you mention Clemson? how did they do with a new qb?
Against probably the best defense in the country, he didn't play well.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:50 am to Topwater Trout
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oh man why would any coach want to mimic the most successful offense in school history
Because it's an impossible goal? It would be hard to mimic any former teams.
When he first said it I felt like it was to get the fans to be on board with the hires. but he keeps going back to it. At some point you have to look at your current team for what they are.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:51 am to lsu2006
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OK. I guess you just forgot all the talk about wanting to recreate early-2000s USC. Then he brought in Matt Canada. Then Steve Ensminger for some reason. Then a complete unknown in Joe Brady who happened to be a genius in RPOs and modern offenses. It's OK for you to admit he has no clue what he's doing on offense and just says what he thinks people want to hear.
10 offenses...be over dramatic if you want. Canada wasn't the offense he was looking for...are you upset he fired Canada? did you see that offense going 15-0?
Answer the other question about this season
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:51 am to Slippy
And making it public made it easy for defensive coaches to scheme against is all offseason. They knew exactly what we would be trying to do.
You have to adapt and play with to the team and coaches you have, period. O makes it a lot harder than it needs to be by trying to “recreate” specific past successes
You have to adapt and play with to the team and coaches you have, period. O makes it a lot harder than it needs to be by trying to “recreate” specific past successes
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:52 am to Slippy
O wanting to recreate the 2019 offense led to two seasons of historically bad defenses?
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