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re: Orgeron will not be fired if LSU goes 7-5
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:47 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:47 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
7-5 = Alleva is gone, O is 50-50
6-6 they are both gone
I'll put money on that
6-6 they are both gone
I'll put money on that
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:47 am to Topwater Trout
quote:Canada was a myth. Unfortunately, so is O.
O's mulligan is gone. HE USED it running off matt due to being butthurt.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:54 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:It appears you have predetermined a opinion that is inflexible thus not a topic for discussion but rather dogma.
Orgeron will not be fired if LSU goes 7-5
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:58 am to tigerpawl
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Canada was a myth.
you are very football ignorant.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:02 am to Old
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It appears you have predetermined a opinion that is inflexible thus not a topic for discussion but rather dogma.
Welcome to the internet. Enjoy your stay!
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:06 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:You are developing a mirror image of the warring national medias versus FOX. Pathetic.
Welcome to the internet. Enjoy your stay!
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:11 am to Freauxzen
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I mean, that's one of the reasons that it's hard not to talk about. I just don't understand how it happened.
Right. I can actually understand how some fans don't want to talk about it anymore...as it hurts to do so. Fine...I get it.
But...I'll NEVER understand how ANYONE can sit here and continue to make a positive argument FOR what has gone down with the LSU administration since November of 2014. Pure homerism just doesn't cover it, and THAT'S why I can't let this topic go. It's beyond illogical.
How is it even possible that we can have LSU fans after our previous 15+ years look at what we have going on now and argue that we're in good hands and the only issue is needing more time?
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:13 am to Old
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You are developing a mirror image of the warring national medias versus FOX. Pathetic.
My point...which you either missed accidentally or on purpose, was that pointing out that someone had already made up their mind on the internet is like calling water "wet."
I'm not arguing in favor of that, merely telling you that if your goal is to go around and point out all of the instances of that, you're day will be filled to the brim with nothing but that.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:18 am to GeauxTigerTM
A lot would depend on who the new AD would be to replace Alleva and what coaching candidates would be available to dump him for. This would be a bad year to have a terrible season though since the 2019 recruiting class could be in jeopardy.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:27 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:In autocratic England or Hitler's Nazi Germany you'd be 100% correct. (speaking of missing the point sir)
My point...which you either missed accidentally or on purpose, was that pointing out that someone had already made up their mind on the internet is like calling water "wet."
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:30 am to Silvermoon_WhereRU
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A lot would depend on who the new AD would be to replace Alleva and what coaching candidates would be available to dump him for.
Can we all stop pretending that there is not a list of 100+ coaches that anyone could blindly throw a dart at and hit a more qualified head coaching candidate than Ed Orgeron? This is how our fan base got talked into believing that Orgeron MADE SENSE as the third option behind Jimbo and Herman on Alleva's Wish List...instead of basically nowhere on it in a real world coaching search where the best candidates were actually on the table.
Again...it's late 2014 and you're Joe Alleva. You've decided Miles is no longer your guy and you begin the process of looking for a replacement. If you're not an idiot, what would you do?
You start with a blank white board and a dry erase marker and you start your list of the best football coaches in America regardless of their availability in your mind. so you've got Saban, Bellichick, Urban, etc...on down the list from both college and pro, head coaches and elite coordinators. Hell...go all the way down to 100 if you want.
Now...how far down that list would you REALLY have to go before Ed Orgeron's name should have found itself on there? Ed Orgeron, and his shitty career head coaching record and ZERO attempts to go back to the start at a smaller school and prove that Ole Miss was an anomaly? How many names between Nick Saban and Ed Orgeron are there...and how far down the liost do you really think you'd have to go to find a high quality coach who felt that the LSU job and it's disgusting level of NFL talent, Top 10 type coaching salary, huge fan support, high profile, etc would be a career upgrade from their current job? Not very far from the top is my answer...and nowhere near Orgeron's tier.
Fear of not being able to find anyone as good as Orgeron should NEVER EVER EVER be a reason to not fire him. It's almost impossible to find someone as unqualified for this job as he is.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:32 am to Old
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In autocratic England or Hitler's Nazi Germany you'd be 100% correct.
Ok...I'll bite.
What was the salient point that I missed?
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:33 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Excuse #4 would be directly on Orgeron. He's the one who decided to hit the reset button on his offense development by getting rid of Canada and starting over again with Ensminger. He's the one who decided to hire Canada (just in case someone wants to make Canada the scape goat) and he's the one who decided to take a huge chance on an OC that NOBODY was looking to hire as an OC. Orgeron should get zero latitude when it comes to the offense. He made his bed there.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:33 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Orgeron will not be fired if LSU goes 7-5
He will get the 19' recruiting cycle and the 19' season to turn it around. After that if not, he will be gone!
The only way he gets fired is if we have a complete collapse and go 2-10 or 3-9, something along those lines. A 7-5 season won't get him fired!
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 8:36 am
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:34 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Orgeron will not be fired if LSU goes 7-5
You are correct. He'll do better than 7-5 but in the rare event he does not, he'll keep the job.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:35 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Now...how far down that list would you REALLY have to go before Ed Orgeron's name should have found itself on there? Ed Orgeron, and his shitty career head coaching record and ZERO attempts to go back to the start at a smaller school and prove that Ole Miss was an anomaly? How many names between Nick Saban and Ed Orgeron are there...and how far down the liost do you really think you'd have to go to find a high quality coach who felt that the LSU job and it's disgusting level of NFL talent, Top 10 type coaching salary, huge fan support, high profile, etc would be a career upgrade from their current job? Not very far from the top is my answer...and nowhere near Orgeron's tier.
Fear of not being able to find anyone as good as Orgeron should NEVER EVER EVER be a reason to not fire him. It's almost impossible to find someone as unqualified for this job as he is.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:38 am to Nissanmaxima
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The only way he gets fired is if we have a complete collapse and go 2-10 or 3-9, something along those lines
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:40 am to Old
Not only did our Clown arse AD hire Orgeron, he gave him a freaking 12 million dollar buyout. Nothing but clowns leading this University.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:42 am to Freauxzen
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quote:
Amazon firing Bezos to hire the old CEO of Pets.com.
I'd go further.... Hiring the former CEO of Circuit City?
Although, to be fair to Blockbuster, at least they were massively successful for a long time, as opppsed to our current head coach in his prior job.
Miles is maybe more like Blockbuster. Huge success, followed by failing to adapt his business model.
O is like the guy that went all in on his Laserdisc collection
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:48 am to Nissanmaxima
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This would be a bad year to have a terrible season though since the 2019 recruiting class could be in jeopardy.
Fuuuuuuuck this argument.
O had the lowest rated class this century with his first class this year. What makes anyone think he’s the guy to lock down the 19 class??
O the great recruiter is another dumb fricking myth with zero evidence to back it up. Doing three point stances in the living room for grandpa while real coaches like Carrol, Kiffin, and Miles come in to actually close kids and parents is a completely different ball game then being THE guy that has to close the deal.
If anything the great 19 class is an argument FOR moving on from O.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 8:56 am
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