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re: Orgeron deserves a raise and an extension, but proceed with caution

Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:30 pm to
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
38883 posts
Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:30 pm to
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If Malzahn was available when Orgeron was hired LSU would have signed him to a bigger contract then he has now.
false. Alleva was never going to hire anyone other than Orgeron. The whole “search” was a sham
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 2/3/19 at 8:39 pm to
“ The whole “search” was a sham”

With the way things played out and the more I think about it, the more I begin to think you’re right.

When Joe calls 10-3 a great year, I can’t help but wonder what the hell is going on.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 2/3/19 at 9:07 pm to
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false. Alleva was never going to hire anyone other than Orgeron. The whole “search” was a sham



Why do people have to make shite up.
Posted by ecb
Member since Jul 2010
10090 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 5:22 am to
Really ? I missed when he won the west, I guess.

BS
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:31 am to
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He deserves neither
even though he won 11 games with one of the hardest schedules ever in the hardest division ever of the hardest conference ever after cleaning up some of miles' deficiencies? i think that's a stretch.

my desire for lsu to have gone after someone different doesn't mean i should not give him credit for doing a good job.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:34 am to
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10-3, 5-3
lsu fans need to stop acting like this is true

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a worse offense
this is absolutely a valid criticism and if ensminger is still the oc next season, i will be quite displeased with orgeron. if ens was a placeholder until o could get someone legit, fine. miles did that with malleveto to get chief. if ens is the permanent solution, o is going to lose me altogether.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
19734 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:41 am to
O isn't a threat to leave, so we don't need to give him an extension. Yes, I understand the recruiting aspect of it, but I think that's hugely overblown. Recruits know coaches can get fired or leave at virtually any minute.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
19734 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:44 am to
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Orgeron needs and deserves an extension
for going 6-2 and 5-3 in the SEC? Isn't that what got our last coach fired?

Les' last four full years, he had the following SEC records:
6-2
5-3
4-4
5-3
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
19734 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:46 am to
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even though he won 11 games
he did?
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with one of the hardest schedules ever in the hardest division ever of the hardest conference ever
come on, now. The schedule looked to be brutal before the season started, but that was before we knew Miami, Auburn, and Miss State would lose, 6, 5, and 5 games, respectively. In retrospect, the schedule wasn't nearly as tough as we thought.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62381 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:51 am to
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even though he won 11 games


Are you the same guy who thinks This past year was O’s first year?

I love the O mystique and the stories surrounding it.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 8:59 am to
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He gets a raise when he can actually score points and make a game against Bama
i get this sentiment but, it's a bit shortsighted. since lsu beat bama last, bama has only lost 9 times, twice to bitter in state rival, twice to offensive extraordinaire freeze, twice to bama kryptonite clemson, and sugar bowls to really really good programs. they have won 96 games beating the best of the best multiple times including 4 nc's and 2 other appearances in the ncg. it's not o's fault that bama plays their best game of the year against lsu every year and gets help from the refs.

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he was hire to beat Bama
that is stupid

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Getting zero points two out of three years doesn’t deserve a extension against bama.
so you don't think his whole body of work should be looked at. just one game. well that makes sense.

again, i don't think he should have been hired but, i can acknowledge that the guy has done a really good job and seems to be getting some of miles' kinks worked out.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:00 am to
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Wait until after next season to see how he stacks up to coaches that have had 2 years with their respective programs ie Mullen and Fisher. He has to play those 2 every year... losing to one of both of them again next season is a cause for concern
this is reasonable to me
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:06 am to
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When Joe calls 10-3 a great year
if you're referring to 2018, it wasn't 10-3. it was 11-2 with one of the hardest schedules ever. that absolutely is a great year.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:10 am to
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he did?
yes

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The schedule looked to be brutal before the season started, but that was before we knew Miami, Auburn, and Miss State would lose, 6, 5, and 5 games, respectively. In retrospect, the schedule wasn't nearly as tough as we thought.
i guess you're not aware that lsu ended the season with one of the toughest schedules in the country

i don't want to be mistaken for someone who is a blind o homer. i'm not. but i'm also not going to deny the reality of what o accomplished.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:11 am to
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Are you the same guy who thinks This past year was O’s first year?
i don't know what this means

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I love the O mystique and the stories surrounding it.
i think it's funny that people are acting like he didn't win 11 games and they're using that to criticize him
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
104113 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:16 am to
I'm assuming that you're trying to say it was an 11 win season with the A&M game.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30464 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:17 am to
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i don't want to be mistaken for someone who is a blind o homer

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if you're referring to 2018, it wasn't 10-3. it was 11-2 with one of the hardest schedules ever. that absolutely is a great year.


Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
19734 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:24 am to
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it's not o's fault that bama plays their best game of the year against lsu every year and gets help from the refs.
good lord - this is pathetic. We lost 29-0, at home, and got outgained 576-196. Utter and complete domination.

Against Bama, O has gone:
10-0 at home (as interim)
24-10
29-0 at home

Who else should we blame?
Posted by Woodman
Seattle WA
Member since Aug 2009
2411 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:29 am to
I think it is a "per year remaining" component. So add the number of years remaining by the cutoff date increment indicated and you have the net buyout amount.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
104113 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:29 am to
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it's not o's fault that bama plays their best game of the year against lsu every year

If you're going to use this line of thinking, who do you fault for LSU not playing their best game of the year vs Bama? Shouldn't that be LSU's best effort of the season?
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