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Opt out is first step toward football becoming like basketball one & done or 2 & through
Posted on 12/1/20 at 11:30 am
Posted on 12/1/20 at 11:30 am
It seems the opting out trend is the first step to college football players declaring for the NFL after one or two seasons as has occurred in basketball. The NFL has thus far voluntarily adopted a rule that players are not drafted until they are three years out of high school or 21 years of age, Look for a push to change that rule to mimic basketball. For the most part it will likely involve sophomores, but no doubt players like Stingley, Trevor Lawrence, etc. would merit strong consideration after one season. The NFL would likely wait on drafting most linemen until their sophomore years, but skill position players will be snapped up quickly.
The biggest problem for a college football program would be losing a large number of players who would be content to be mid to late round picks if they can start their pro careers early. It was devestating enough when losing juniors and it would be exacerbated if freshmen and sophomores could be drafted. Roster management would be a nightmare if they are not allowed to sign over 25 per year to replace early departures before their junior seasons.
The biggest problem for a college football program would be losing a large number of players who would be content to be mid to late round picks if they can start their pro careers early. It was devestating enough when losing juniors and it would be exacerbated if freshmen and sophomores could be drafted. Roster management would be a nightmare if they are not allowed to sign over 25 per year to replace early departures before their junior seasons.
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Posted on 12/1/20 at 11:43 am to tigersbb
Hanny and Hester had a good segment on this yesterday. Hanny thinks it is probably going to become the norm for players like Fournette and Stingley to sit out entire years if they've established themselves after 2 seasons. Hester, not surprisingly, is not a fan of Marshall's decision to leave in the middle of the season and is not a fan of guys opting out after 2 years. Hanny didn't really state an opinion on how he felt about guys doing it but said he thinks this is where the college game is headed.
This post was edited on 12/1/20 at 11:44 am
Posted on 12/1/20 at 11:43 am to tigersbb
We should wait till we have a non Covid season to find out:
1- if these trend is strictly due to Covid
2- if this trend is mainly an LSU problem.
If it's only Covid related, then everything will go back to normal at some point (hopefully next season).
1- if these trend is strictly due to Covid
2- if this trend is mainly an LSU problem.
If it's only Covid related, then everything will go back to normal at some point (hopefully next season).
Posted on 12/1/20 at 11:43 am to tigersbb
I dont See it. The NBA didn’t pass the 1 and done rule for college basketball sake.
Too many players were going pro, not getting drafted and never developing.
Football is an even more physically demanding sport than 99.999999999% of Freshmen aren’t ready for and cannot physically get ready for at 19 or 20.
I think There may be a waiver process, but the NFL likes letting players develop in college for free.
Too many players were going pro, not getting drafted and never developing.
Football is an even more physically demanding sport than 99.999999999% of Freshmen aren’t ready for and cannot physically get ready for at 19 or 20.
I think There may be a waiver process, but the NFL likes letting players develop in college for free.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 11:56 am to SammyTiger
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Opt out is first step toward football becoming like basketball one & done or 2 & through
I dont See it. The NBA didn’t pass the 1 and done rule for college basketball sake.
Too many players were going pro, not getting drafted and never developing.
NFL has 7 rounds compared to 2 for the NBA. It will be mainly skill players who are drafted early. But why wouldn't a team with 7 to 10 picks decide to draft a young player like Ojulari in the mid rounds ?
Posted on 12/1/20 at 12:01 pm to tigersbb
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NFL has 7 rounds compared to 2 for the NBA. It will be mainly skill players who are drafted early.
And given year there are a handful of skill position players that could go early.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 12:11 pm to tigersbb
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The NFL has thus far voluntarily adopted a rule that players are not drafted until they are three years out of high school or 21 years of age, Look for a push to change that rule to mimic basketball.
The rule will not be changed. The overwhelming majority of 18, 19, and 20 year olds are not physically mature enough to absorb the punishment regularly doled out by massive, vicious NFL players who are full-grown men. The rule is especially unlikely to be changed in an era where player safety is paramount and CTE is a constant concern. Further, the NFL has no financial incentive to change the rule. Why pay to develop very young players when the college ranks do it for you?
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Posted on 12/1/20 at 12:18 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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Further, the NFL has no financial incentive to change the rule. Why pay to develop very young players when the college ranks do it for you?
That makes sense, but how many things have evolved over the past few years which have flipped previous norms. Pressure will be brought to bear by certain groups claiming it violates laws to deprive otherwise willing and able athletes from earning a living, the usual race baiters will find racial angles to exploit and the sheer force of athletes having a louder voice will prevail. Look at the recent changes where athletes can profit from use of their likeness.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 12:28 pm to tigersbb
The NFL also has 58 roster spots and can’t spend them on guys who are still developing.
Again, the NBA doesn’t have their system the way it because because no one is ready for the NBA. It’s because the ones that are are an exception and it’s better to just draft them a year later than lose out on the ones that need to develop.
Again, the NBA doesn’t have their system the way it because because no one is ready for the NBA. It’s because the ones that are are an exception and it’s better to just draft them a year later than lose out on the ones that need to develop.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 12:55 pm to tigersbb
I said this earlier this year. Opting out isn't going away after co-vid. a player has a good freshman or sophomore year? opt out and train for the draft. we've turned football into being purely transactional, the only reason to play high school is to get to college, the only reason to play college is to get to nfl.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 1:00 pm to SammyTiger
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The NFL also has 58 roster spots and can’t spend them on guys who are still developing.
There are over 300 practice squad slots and ther would not be much if any drop off between some of the current members and college sophomores with potential.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 1:14 pm to tigersbb
Disagree. NBA is easier to assimilate for players. NFL is a grown man contact sport. Player development is crucial to enter this league. Plus players will see those that opt out and end up not going as high because other players that boosted their stock playing go ahead unless its an obvious top 10 pick.
See example of Marshall likely doesnt go in the first round but maybe couldve played into it if he stays and puts more tape out against the Bama and florida left. Have zero idea why any player not guaranteed a top 5 pick would opt out tbh. Marshall was playing third fiddle last year with JJ and Jmarr there and he hasnt even put crazy stats this year. Makes zero sense even if you want to talk business.
See example of Marshall likely doesnt go in the first round but maybe couldve played into it if he stays and puts more tape out against the Bama and florida left. Have zero idea why any player not guaranteed a top 5 pick would opt out tbh. Marshall was playing third fiddle last year with JJ and Jmarr there and he hasnt even put crazy stats this year. Makes zero sense even if you want to talk business.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 1:33 pm to r0cky1
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Disagree. NBA is easier to assimilate for players. NFL is a grown man contact sport. Player development is crucial to enter this league. Plus players will see those that opt out and end up not going as high because other players that boosted their stock playing go ahead unless its an obvious top 10 pick.
You are speaking logically. How many players declare for the NBA every year and don't get selected? If these football players think they will get drafted or get manipulated by agents to think that way they will leave early.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 1:57 pm to tigersbb
Are players allowed to get insurance policies that cover injuries? If so, what would a $10 million policy cost?
Posted on 12/1/20 at 2:06 pm to Chicken
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Are players allowed to get insurance policies that cover injuries? If so, what would a $10 million policy cost?
They have been able to get high limits coverages in the past and likely can still do so. The premiums are determined actuarily based upon different factors which assess the ris and the likelihood of a player collecting. I believe they were able to get loans to pay the premiums so the cost would be fairly negligible to them and could be easily paid off with their first contract.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 2:35 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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1- if these trend is strictly due to Covid
Didn't Bosa do it a few years ago? may have had an injury but I think he basically used it as a reason to not come back when he could have
Posted on 12/1/20 at 2:38 pm to Topwater Trout
I am fine with a rule change that would let football players be 1 and done. I think having guys around that could make a ton of money is not good, let them go do it. Plus, we would be better off with people that want to play.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 2:51 pm to Ethan Martin
I don't understand why the studs just can't get insurance. If you worry about losing money due to injury, which is rare, have insurance give them protection. What am I missing?
Posted on 12/1/20 at 3:02 pm to tigersbb
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Pressure will be brought to bear by certain groups claiming it violates laws to deprive otherwise willing and able athletes from earning a living,
Well they aren’t wrong. There is no education standard among pro athletes so you really can’t use the excuse of “you need college to be able to get this job” given that the fundamental idea of college is about academics not sports.
Things you will never hear an NBA team say to a good player. “You shoot 3 pointers better than anyone I’ve ever seen, but unfortunately you didn’t pass college algebra so I can’t sign you to the team”.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 4:03 pm to lsufball19
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Hanny didn't really state an opinion on how he felt about guys doing it but said he thinks this is where the college game is headed.
There are maybe 5-6 guys a year who could sit out an entire season and not have it hurt their draft stock. Sitting out an entire junior year is not realistic for 99% of players. Now shutting it down with two or three games left in the year if your team is totally out of it may become much more frequent in junior or senior years.
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