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re: one of the main reasons i like coach O and think he'll be a success at LSU
Posted on 5/1/17 at 12:58 pm to Tiger Ree
Posted on 5/1/17 at 12:58 pm to Tiger Ree
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So naturally, you fall for it and tear down the LSU football coach on a message board. Congratulations !!!
Yes. Poor, poor, Coach O. I'm tearing him down by pointing out facts. If he's that sensitive, he's definitely going to have some issues coaching LSU. 
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Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:02 pm to tigertex1992
Well say what you want about coach O and yes there were other coaches out there BUT the players seem to love the guy, they have bought in and so have the recruits.
If O has success on the field that will build confidence in himself as a coach then bleed into the team as well. One thing that separates him from others is his "honest passion for LSU" that's hard to recruit against if he can start having success on the field. I just think the pros out way the cons here, it could really take off if he's successful but if he's not then LSU didn't spend so much money and Alleva wouldn't have much blood on his hands replacing him because trust me if the results don't come by next year even have a decent year this year then people will be calling for his head as well.
If he has a couple of 9-3 seasons but looks good while losing, I'm talking battling it out with another great team but losing then he might get a longer rope. He might get 1 season with more than 3 loses but not much more than that. Gotta give him his shot. I think he will get it done as long as he stays with great assistants, the minute he starts trying to butt in, things could get ugly.
That's usually the thing that gets a coach canned is when he starts trying to do too much or when he gets complacent, lets hope that doesn't happen. GT
If O has success on the field that will build confidence in himself as a coach then bleed into the team as well. One thing that separates him from others is his "honest passion for LSU" that's hard to recruit against if he can start having success on the field. I just think the pros out way the cons here, it could really take off if he's successful but if he's not then LSU didn't spend so much money and Alleva wouldn't have much blood on his hands replacing him because trust me if the results don't come by next year even have a decent year this year then people will be calling for his head as well.
If he has a couple of 9-3 seasons but looks good while losing, I'm talking battling it out with another great team but losing then he might get a longer rope. He might get 1 season with more than 3 loses but not much more than that. Gotta give him his shot. I think he will get it done as long as he stays with great assistants, the minute he starts trying to butt in, things could get ugly.
That's usually the thing that gets a coach canned is when he starts trying to do too much or when he gets complacent, lets hope that doesn't happen. GT
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:08 pm to Elleshoe
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If Orgeron was from Gary, Indiana would he be head coach of LSU football today?
Depends, does he have the same experience and 4 championship rings?
Was he the interim coach at USC, taking over for a coach who had gone 4-7 in his last 11 games before being fired on the airport tarmac? Did he take over that program and go 6-2 including a win over the #4 team in the country?
Did he become interim coach of LSU after LM was fired? Did he go 6-2 with 4 SEC wins with 2 being against ranked teams with one win against a ranked team being on the road? Did he fire the OC from the previous staff and promote the TE's coach and STILL do what is stated above?
If so then yes, he would probably be the HC at LSU if he was from Gary, Inidana.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:12 pm to BayouBengal99
Whatever else you want to maintain about the "facts" pertaining to Da Coach O's resume, the fact remains that no other major college offered him a head coaching job except LSU after his Ole Miss hiring/ firing.
If it makes you feel better, you can argue that Joe Alleva saw talent no one else could see and made the Hire of the Decade at a fraction of what any other top tier coach would cost.
If it makes you feel better, you can argue that Joe Alleva saw talent no one else could see and made the Hire of the Decade at a fraction of what any other top tier coach would cost.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:19 pm to Tiger Ree
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Depends, does he have the same experience and 4 championship rings?
Was he the interim coach at USC, taking over for a coach who had gone 4-7 in his last 11 games before being fired on the airport tarmac? Did he take over that program and go 6-2 including a win over the #4 team in the country?
Did he become interim coach of LSU after LM was fired? Did he go 6-2 with 4 SEC wins with 2 being against ranked teams with one win against a ranked team being on the road? Did he fire the OC from the previous staff and promote the TE's coach and STILL do what is stated above?
If so then yes, he would probably be the HC at LSU if he was from Gary, Inidana.
It's almost admirable that you find this impressive after bashing Herman's and Jimbo's records on the Coaching Changes board.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:19 pm to lsu2006
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It's easy to win an argument when you just make shite up huh?
WTF? There was no argument. Why did you even imagine there was one. An argument is when someone says something, you disagree and counter said disagreement.
I just pointed out that the guy replied to a post and called the OP out and tried to insult him by calling him stupid when he apparently had no idea what-so-ever of what the original poster's comment was in relation to.
That is not an argument and I definitely was not making shite up. Go back and read it a few times. It will sink in eventually and make sense to you.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:29 pm to Tiger Ree
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WTF? There was no argument. Why did you even imagine there was one. An argument is when someone says something, you disagree and counter said disagreement.
I just pointed out that the guy replied to a post and called the OP out and tried to insult him by calling him stupid when he apparently had no idea what-so-ever of what the original poster's comment was in relation to.
That is not an argument and I definitely was not making shite up. Go back and read it a few times. It will sink in eventually and make sense to you.
Stop mischaracterizing what I did.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:31 pm to nvasil1
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It's almost admirable that you find this impressive after bashing Herman's and Jimbo's records on the Coaching Changes board
I made one post on the SEC Rant about Jimbo's record. I then read a post that pointed out some things about Jimbo and what he had accomplished and realized that what the poster said was correct and what Jimbo had done was very good indeed. I was sold from that point on.
Herman's record is a 6th place finish in his second year with the most talented team.
Herman's record is losses to UCONN, Navy, SMU and Memphis. Again with a team much more talented than the teams he lost to. Hell of a resume if you ask me.
You remember me from the coaching changes board? I'm flattered.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:31 pm to nitwit
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the fact remains that no other major college offered him a head coaching job except LSU....
If it makes you feel better, you can argue that Joe Alleva saw talent no one else could see and made the Hire of the Decade at a fraction of what any other top tier coach would cost.
If it makes you feel better, no other major program offered Dabo Sweeney a head coaches job and he had never been an OC or DC. Perhaps Clemson's AD "saw talent no one else could see."
The fact is that we whiffed on our first two choices. It can be argued that none of the other potential candidates were slam dunk alternatives. People around here have the impression that folks are lining up for the LSU job. Texas and Florida are huge programs and the best they were scrambling after Mack Brown was canned and Urban left. Even when Foley knew Muschamp wasn't being retained the best he could do was McIlwain. Folks don't leave secure jobs willy nilly.
But hey, paint the narrative any way you want. O is the head coach and he will be an upgrade to Miles.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:45 pm to LSU GrandDad
So what happens when Aranda and/or Canada leaves and we can't land a big name at DC/OC? Is O going to draw up the grand master game plan to win?
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:47 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Stop mischaracterizing what I did.
I'm not mischaracterizing shite.
The OP was replying to another poster who after he and others had argued a point for 20 or so pages changed his tune and admitted to something that had been a focal point of their argument.
The OP then asked the 1st responder if he did indeed say what he did and pointed out that the "Haters" will argue both sides of an argument at any time to try and make a point.
The "haters" comment obviously keyed the 2nd responder (wonder why?) who then called the OP stupid.
Quite simple to follow and funny that the 1st responder ruined 20 pages of argument and then the 2nd responder felt compelled to call the OP stupid for quoting something and asking for affirmation from the 1st responder. Classic !!! Expected but still CLASSIC !!!
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:48 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Poor, poor, Coach O. I'm tearing him down by pointing out facts. If he's that sensitive, he's definitely going to have some issues coaching LSU
lol he's not pointing out coach O for being sensitive. That went over your head
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:48 pm to BayouBengal99
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BUT the players seem to love the guy, they have bought in and so have the recruits.
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"honest passion for LSU"
Two things that have no bearing on being a good HC. I so often hear how the players love Saban and Meyer.
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LSU didn't spend so much money and Alleva wouldn't have much blood on his hands replacing him because trust me if the results don't come by next year even have a decent year this year then people will be calling for his head as well.
It's about more than just money. A couple of bad years could drastically reduce the LSU appeal, and hurt the program for the next 10 years. Look at UT, USC, Notre Dame, Miami, etc etc etc etc. they all were loaded with talent when their last good coach left. It doesnt take much to lose the 'Elite' ranking in the college football world.
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If he has a couple of 9-3 seasons but looks good while losing, I'm talking battling it out with another great team but losing then he might get a longer rope.
So....Les Miles?
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:50 pm to Tiger Ree
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Herman's record is a 6th place finish in his second year with the most talented team.
Herman won a national title as a coordinator and ran circles around Nick Saban's defense. What has O done as a coordinator? He's never even been hired as a coordinator.
Herman had a top 10 finish in his first year as head coach at UH ending with a NY6 Bowl win vs Florida State.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:51 pm to JohnnyU
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If it makes you feel better, Dabo Sweeney had never been an OC or DC.
You can throw Urban Meyer into this category also. That's why Urban sucks so bad and has only won, what 3 national titles?
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:52 pm to Tiger Ree
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The OP was replying to another poster who after he and others had argued a point for 20 or so pages changed his tune and admitted to something that had been a focal point of their argument.
This just isn't true. Plain and simple. You're in over your head in this thread and you're making it more and more obvious. QUICK! Say something about "Macho Man"!
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:54 pm to j bro12
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Is O going to draw up the grand master game plan to win?
He did it with Ensminger
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:55 pm to Tiger Ree
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You can throw Urban Meyer into this category also. That's why Urban sucks so bad and has only won, what 3 national titles?
Urban was hired at a MUCH lower level school to run the offense and the team. So yeah he's never been an OC, but he was. It was also freaking BOWLING GREEN.
Urban and Dabo also didnt have an epic failure on his resume. But other than that, good examples.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:56 pm to Tiger Ree
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You can throw Urban Meyer into this category also. That's why Urban sucks so bad and has only won, what 3 national titles?
Is that the same Urban Meyer that was hired at Florida after successful head coaching stints and Bowling Green and Utah or a different Urban Meyer?
Or did we hire a different Ed Orgeron that was a successful head coach somewhere following his historic failure at Ole Miss?
Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:57 pm to Howyouluhdat
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lol he's not pointing out coach O for being sensitive. That went over your head
The alternative is that he's pointing out your and his sandy vaginas. I was trying to give you both the benefit of the doubt.
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