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re: Off-season Weights/Conditioning
Posted on 1/4/19 at 1:14 pm to brightside878
Posted on 1/4/19 at 1:14 pm to brightside878
Yes - every yearbooks more and more like time passed him by .....
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Posted on 1/4/19 at 2:08 pm to kwf9
Moffitt overrated...
Posted on 1/4/19 at 2:12 pm to kwf9
He will, just like last season when this was the most conditioned team he's ever seen. Or was that just more bs lies from the staff?
Posted on 1/4/19 at 2:17 pm to dgnx6
He had to have lowered his standards for the conditioning test because both of our lines looked more out of shape than any year I can remember. Maybe it was a product of trying to bulk them up, but I believe both of our lines can stand to be lighter and more in shape. They can still be stronger than they are right now at a lighter playing weight.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 2:51 pm to des4271
quote:I never said it wasn't. I fully agree with your post.
Conditioning is very important in all sports and keeps your mind sharp and free from mistakes.
What I meant was that, even if we have the very best S&C program, it will only provide a very slight marginal advantage compared to what other teams are doing. After all, I suspect Bama, UF, Auburn, etc. all have elite S&C programs too. So IF we're better than those teams in the S&C area, it will be by a very small amount.
So of course S&C is important, I just meant that any advantage we gain from being BETTER than other teams will be tiny, in comparison to recruiting, player development, scheme, motivation, etc.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 5:08 pm to atltiger6487
Cool, the problem is LSU isn't ahead of Bama in scheme, motivation, playcalling or better players (except at certain positions).
Posted on 1/4/19 at 8:51 pm to atltiger6487
quote:I get what you're saying... but that would depend on the starting point. I do agree with you that it isn't the 'magic bullet' some may think it is. I've noticed people, everywhere, have an ingrained tendency to blame one thing, and one thing only. It's never just one thing; not with team sports for sure.
I never said it wasn't. I fully agree with your post.
What I meant was that, even if we have the very best S&C program, it will only provide a very slight marginal advantage compared to what other teams are doing. After all, I suspect Bama, UF, Auburn, etc. all have elite S&C programs too. So IF we're better than those teams in the S&C area, it will be by a very small amount.
So of course S&C is important, I just meant that any advantage we gain from being BETTER than other teams will be tiny, in comparison to recruiting, player development, scheme, motivation, etc.
I think it has more of an effect than you do, but no... no magic bullet here.
Refering back to my starting point comment... if it is as bad as some think or purport it to be (here anyway), it would make a hell of a difference. It's no where that bad.
But I think it is bad enough, because of trends over the last 5-6 years, where it is costing us games by affecting us enough in several plays a game.
I draw a direct correlation from S&C between declining execution (through a game AND season to season since 2011) through to a decline in record (or a ceiling in wins). To me there's a drop off in our S&C, that has led to be ONE of the factors in our struggles against equally talented teams, which leads to that ceiling... we beat the teams we're supposed to, but it's a crap shoot against the one's where we are evenly matched.
Add to that we have trouble putting people away. Instead of taking over in the late 3rd or 4th we are playing lesser talented teams like they are Popeye and just opened an can or two of spinach. People see it as playing down to the opponent; I see it as S&C 'degrading' our play to the point where the talent advantage has eroded.
And there's no doubt we get manhandled on both lines by some teams, not just Bama. At times against those equally talented teams we look like world beaters; then we don't. That hot and cold is due to many things- S&C being one of them in my opinion.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:00 pm to kwf9
The best at his position in Div-I - if the athlete is ready to commit, all-in, Moffit will get him where he needs to be. He is in for a hellish summer that he will only truely appreciate at the end of the season ..... and come back for the next one !
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:19 pm to atltiger6487
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I estimate S&C is responsible for only a small sliver of a player's performance
Valentine & Shelvin say hello. If you are too weak or out of breath all the time your ability flies right out of the window. All of the talent in the world is useless without S&C
Posted on 1/5/19 at 7:19 pm to tigernnola
I don't think I'd give them a choice of whether they were all in, I'd make them be "all in". I don't understand how they haven't gotten Shelvin's weight down, there would be a strict menu and instructions at the serving line along with specific lists of diets/foods(maybe they do that) for him to eat along with others.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 7:20 pm to bstew3006
Amen brother. I've been preaching this neglect for a year and it goes back much further than a year or two. The sec is not waiting for LSU to catch up because from a physical standpoint, LSU is probablu the 4th most physical team in the sec. Gotta do something now!!!
Posted on 1/5/19 at 7:26 pm to RUGAROO
Gotta have players in the proper shape both physically and athletically. Without this you cannot, repeat, cannot develop players to their potential. Oeaux has to see this. Let's hope because his job seat can warm up quickly if we continue to be dominated by top tier teams.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 8:49 pm to atltiger6487
Maybe. Alabama lineman beat our lineman first step al,ost every time. They also push our guys back off the line of scrimmage. That is strength agility quickness and explosion
This is,box jumps. Ladder drills. Dot drills.
This is,box jumps. Ladder drills. Dot drills.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 8:54 pm to kwf9
Meh, I think we need a change up. Some guy who can get our O line tougher and better.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 9:03 pm to Nissanmaxima
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Alabama in my mind(I have zero proof) is cheating at a level that is beyond the norm. There is no way in hell that just eating right and training alone can make one team look so much more superior to it opponents.
Not in this day and age of training technology that just about every P5 team is using.
Sorry, just know way in hell. They are doing things over there and getting away with it! Again, just my two cents!
Well, if there's this super duper secret way of cheating (that you have no proof of) and we're not doing it as well, then that's our fault.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 9:56 pm to OppositeMan
BS, hold the athletes accountable to the S&C. Run their arse of if they don’t meet the goals. Worst come to worst they get processed and an extra scholarship opens up to fill a future class
Posted on 1/5/19 at 9:59 pm to LMfan
quote:
wait til Moffitt gets a hold of em again/more
Posted on 1/5/19 at 10:05 pm to mhc4tigers
Absolutely agree, especially with your last 2 sentences. I'd also say they do more core training also and LSU should also look into working their stabilizer muscles(would help protect against injuries). Look at Quinnen Williams, around 295 (looks slimmer than he weighs) and is ultra quick, strong, agile and explosive. You don't see Bama's players looking sloppy and LSU has several that look that way and that doesn't always translate to weakness but if you take that excess fat off it could help some tremendously.
This post was edited on 1/5/19 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 1/5/19 at 11:05 pm to DaBike
Yes, gumbo, no rice and stay off the energy drinks.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 11:43 pm to LMfan
quote:
wait til Moffitt gets a hold of em
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