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re: Now NBC Gives Les Miles Love
Posted on 7/23/10 at 11:59 pm to macatak911
Posted on 7/23/10 at 11:59 pm to macatak911
quote:i know coaches are supposed to "coach up" players and if they dont it's their job to find find guys who can or find better players.
Have you checked who his starting QBs have been the past two seasons?
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Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:01 am to bmy
I am not saying Coker deserved to be fired for having a couple of down seasons, but it was more than just poorer than expected records resulting in his firing. He also wasn't making $3.75M+/year.
I am not in the fire Les camp, YET. If this team struggles and seems as unorganized as the last 2 seasons AND he starts throwing players under the bus AGAIN for largely his F-ups. Then it may be in LSU's best interest to let him go. That still remains to be seen though.
I am not in the fire Les camp, YET. If this team struggles and seems as unorganized as the last 2 seasons AND he starts throwing players under the bus AGAIN for largely his F-ups. Then it may be in LSU's best interest to let him go. That still remains to be seen though.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:02 am to Acreboy
quote:
i know coaches are supposed to "coach up" players and if they dont it's their job to find find guys who can or find better players.
Hard to do when you are stuck with no experience underclassmen because your star QB is a jackass.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:04 am to Rocket
Rocket, I lost respect for Miles after last season's Ole Miss fiasco. Not for what happened during the game, but what followed. His arrogant behavior and throwing JJ under the bus for something that was almost entirely the result of his and Crowton's stupidity is inexcusable.
Again, he's considered a nice guy. Great. He isn't paid to be a nice guy. He's paid to put out teams that compete and don't look like they were playing sandlot ball.
Again, he's considered a nice guy. Great. He isn't paid to be a nice guy. He's paid to put out teams that compete and don't look like they were playing sandlot ball.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:06 am to macatak911
quote:like i said you're also responsible for finding coaches who can coach.
Hard to do when you are stuck with no experience underclassmen because your star QB is a jackass.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:08 am to LSUMafia
quote:
Again, he's considered a nice guy. Great. He isn't paid to be a nice guy. He's paid to put out teams that compete and don't look like they were playing sandlot ball.
I'm well aware of that. I didn't say he shouldn't be criticized. I said people should be fair in their criticism. And there are people on here who aren't. And nobody on here has any obligation to stay quiet when people our completely disrepectful and unfair in their criticism.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:09 am to Acreboy
quote:
like i said you're also responsible for finding coaches who can coach.
Yeaaah, I'm not going to turn this into a JJ bashing thread because I will get banned.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:12 am to Rocket
Rocket, I agree with you, but some people are acting like any criticism by fans or the media is unwarranted. When you get paid like Les does, you get more criticism. If he really wants to eliminate criticism, he should pay LSU back half his salary for doing a half-arse coaching job the past two seasons.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:14 am to macatak911
well if we dont put miles on the hot seat then this team would slip deeper into mediocrity and none of us want that.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:16 am to LSUMafia
quote:
. If he really wants to eliminate criticism, he should pay LSU back half his salary for doing a half-arse coaching job the past two seasons.
You think that is going to eliminate criticism? Are you on drugs?
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:17 am to LSUMafia
quote:
Rocket, I agree with you, but some people are acting like any criticism by fans or the media is unwarranted. When you get paid like Les does, you get more criticism. If he really wants to eliminate criticism, he should pay LSU back half his salary for doing a half-arse coaching job the past two seasons
I have a feeling if Les Miles announced tommorrow that because of his love for LSU in these tough economic times he was donating his entire salary to save Teachers jobs next year in a week the critics would not care.
It would not get him any traction
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:21 am to bayourant
quote:
That letter came two years after LSU gave Miles a record contract extension, and about two months to the day after the Tigers lost at Ole Miss because of poor clock management — and the complaining from the vocal minority began.
whoomp! there it is!
NBC also loves notre dame, keith olbermann and rachel maddow. they are also owned by general electric.(see: cap and trade) they are the great satan. this link was legitimate until i saw NBC.
This post was edited on 7/24/10 at 12:31 am
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:26 am to Rocket
All criticism? No, of course not. There will always be jackasses out there that have nothing better to do than complain. It would be a step though.
Fact is the product on the field as a whole has declined significantly the past 2 years and is largely the result of poor coaching.
In the end, I hope Les proves his critics wrong, because it means success for LSU. If he doesn't, then he needs to go within reason.
He won't be fired after this season because of his $7.5M buyout. My best guess is LSU lets him finish off the remainder of his contract and says "Bye" after the 2012 season.
Fact is the product on the field as a whole has declined significantly the past 2 years and is largely the result of poor coaching.
In the end, I hope Les proves his critics wrong, because it means success for LSU. If he doesn't, then he needs to go within reason.
He won't be fired after this season because of his $7.5M buyout. My best guess is LSU lets him finish off the remainder of his contract and says "Bye" after the 2012 season.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:44 am to Acreboy
When you are running a program like LSU you have a development system.
So it went
2005: Russell starter, Flynn garbage time
2006: Russell starter, Flynn garbage time, alittle RP garbage time
2007: Flynn starter, RP special packages and garbage time
Then it was suppose to be
2008: RP starter, Lee garbage time
2009: RP or Lee starter, Jefferson garbage time
What ends up happening is RP pulls some bs and we are stuck with absolutely no experience. Also we recruited good prospects in RP, J. Lee, Jefferson, Shep, and Z. Lee.
1. With Russell and Flynn already on the depth chart with so much eligibility it would have been pretty hard to land bigger recruits.
2. RP destroyed the development process.
3. J. Lee ends up being a bust and only a back up.
4. Jefferson is only going into his third year in college.
5. Shep ends up not having the smarts(sorry to say) play QB. He is still a great player and tiger though.
Obviously Z. Lee isn't here until the fall.
Things are getting fixed, but people shouldn't ignore how RP screwed our QB system.
So it went
2005: Russell starter, Flynn garbage time
2006: Russell starter, Flynn garbage time, alittle RP garbage time
2007: Flynn starter, RP special packages and garbage time
Then it was suppose to be
2008: RP starter, Lee garbage time
2009: RP or Lee starter, Jefferson garbage time
What ends up happening is RP pulls some bs and we are stuck with absolutely no experience. Also we recruited good prospects in RP, J. Lee, Jefferson, Shep, and Z. Lee.
1. With Russell and Flynn already on the depth chart with so much eligibility it would have been pretty hard to land bigger recruits.
2. RP destroyed the development process.
3. J. Lee ends up being a bust and only a back up.
4. Jefferson is only going into his third year in college.
5. Shep ends up not having the smarts(sorry to say) play QB. He is still a great player and tiger though.
Obviously Z. Lee isn't here until the fall.
Things are getting fixed, but people shouldn't ignore how RP screwed our QB system.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:51 am to LSUcmillion
quote:
well if we dont put miles on the hot seat then this team would slip deeper into mediocrity and none of us want that.
Miles is no doubt on the hot seat. nobody here thinks otherwise.
some think he can turn it around and some think he can't. i think he can.
This post was edited on 7/24/10 at 12:55 am
Posted on 7/24/10 at 6:53 am to Colonel Flagg
Col. Flagg, you actually hit the nail on the head and it is what I have said all along.
RP getting his butt thrown out of LSU produced a 2 year hangover
and forced two quarterbacks into SEC play well before they were ready.
What we have seen over the last two seasons is not what would have happened had
RP kept his nose clean and been on the field for us.
Thanks for bringing some sanity to this board.
RP getting his butt thrown out of LSU produced a 2 year hangover
and forced two quarterbacks into SEC play well before they were ready.
What we have seen over the last two seasons is not what would have happened had
RP kept his nose clean and been on the field for us.
Thanks for bringing some sanity to this board.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 6:58 am to bayourant
Yeah, NBC is a great example of success. Their stock is dropping faster than... How are they faring in the ratings this season.
This post was edited on 7/24/10 at 6:58 am
Posted on 7/24/10 at 7:32 am to roygu
Remember, R. Sheppard is still capable of running and passing at QB whether at option qb or shotgun qb. He would be a major threat to come in for a full series as no. 2 QB against all teams.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 9:03 am to Intrepid
"It just doesn't make sense," Peterson said. "How can you have a coach who has accomplished what he has on the hot seat?"
Quick update for those nuts on parade: Saban won 48 games in his first five seasons at LSU. Miles has 51. Enough said!
Quick update for those nuts on parade: Saban won 48 games in his first five seasons at LSU. Miles has 51. Enough said!
Posted on 7/24/10 at 9:04 am to Intrepid
I tend to agree with the article, but I think a lot of the concern that people have, and I have... is the manner in which we win and lose.
When we win, it always seems like we just barely scrape by.
When we lose, it seems like it either came on a coaching blunder (Ole Miss 2009), or strategically we had the wrong idea the whole time (Florida 2009).
My point is... when you place yourself in positions where one play can win or lose a game... one coaching call can make a HUGE difference in whether you win or lose. When that's the case, that doesn't play to Miles' strength as a coach. He is consistently putting himself in positions where the weakest parts of his game (clock management, playcalling under pressure) are coming to the forefront.
LSU under Miles needs to learn to put people away early, for the sake of Miles' job. To me, that's the issue.
When we win, it always seems like we just barely scrape by.
When we lose, it seems like it either came on a coaching blunder (Ole Miss 2009), or strategically we had the wrong idea the whole time (Florida 2009).
My point is... when you place yourself in positions where one play can win or lose a game... one coaching call can make a HUGE difference in whether you win or lose. When that's the case, that doesn't play to Miles' strength as a coach. He is consistently putting himself in positions where the weakest parts of his game (clock management, playcalling under pressure) are coming to the forefront.
LSU under Miles needs to learn to put people away early, for the sake of Miles' job. To me, that's the issue.
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