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re: Now NBC Gives Les Miles Love
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:10 pm to bayourant
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:10 pm to bayourant
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HEck looking how JR produced in the pros perhaps Miles should have been given a medal plus how he kept Flynns development going who is slowing up the ladder int he pros
Man, I can't even describe how dumb this is.
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Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:12 pm to GoldenBoy
Miles kept JR off da syrup
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:16 pm to Maximus
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whistling through the graveyard
its better than prematurely digging a hole in the graveyard.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:18 pm to LSUGradATL
No comparison. Coker fell off because he didnt keep the talent coming in. Miles continues to bring in Top 5 recruiting classes and is back on the up swing after having to start a Freshman QB in 08.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:18 pm to Choctaw
we're terminally ill here
might as well buy a plot
might as well buy a plot
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:21 pm to LSUMafia
LSU Mafia, is a perfect example of why you should leave the reporting to professionals.
None of your "facts" are facts. They're opinions.
When you say "poor coaching" is part of the reason for the last two mediocre seasons. That's your opinion. It isn't shared by thousands of LSU fans.
When you say LSU won the NC by "sheer luck" and by "backing into the title game" That's your opinion. My opinion, and that of many other Tiger fans, is that LSU had the best talent in the nation, was fortunate to get some breaks along the way and then dominated Ohio State. But that, too, is opinion. The only true fact is that LSU won the NC.
3) When you say that Miles acts like a moron and blames kids for his mistakes. That's your opinion Mine is that he is a class act who sacrificed what, for him, was his dream job so as not to be a distraction to his players during their quest to win the NC.
The NBC story stated a true fact: That Les Miles earned 50 wins quicker than any other coach in LSU history. That is a fact. And, it is undisputed.
None of your "facts" are facts. They're opinions.
When you say "poor coaching" is part of the reason for the last two mediocre seasons. That's your opinion. It isn't shared by thousands of LSU fans.
When you say LSU won the NC by "sheer luck" and by "backing into the title game" That's your opinion. My opinion, and that of many other Tiger fans, is that LSU had the best talent in the nation, was fortunate to get some breaks along the way and then dominated Ohio State. But that, too, is opinion. The only true fact is that LSU won the NC.
3) When you say that Miles acts like a moron and blames kids for his mistakes. That's your opinion Mine is that he is a class act who sacrificed what, for him, was his dream job so as not to be a distraction to his players during their quest to win the NC.
The NBC story stated a true fact: That Les Miles earned 50 wins quicker than any other coach in LSU history. That is a fact. And, it is undisputed.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:22 pm to crawdaddy717
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When you say "poor coaching" is part of the reason for the last two mediocre seasons. That's your opinion. It isn't shared by thousands of LSU fans.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 1:29 pm to bayourant
A Sporting News writer who has been slammed on this Board in the past (and rightfully so!) for twisting LSU's nuts, and who stoops to borrowing a now-cliched phrase from the immortal Spiro T. Agnew in an attempt to intellectualize a college football piece, is capable of whipping the troops into a frenzy? This is sad all the way around.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 2:18 pm to Maximus
damn brah, there's a few retarded arguments going on up in this here thread. Wish I had caught this thread about when it started though 
and you're right, being a good coach is kind of like being a good dad. You can not be your child's best friend as in a peer. You are their parent and have a set of rules. You put in your work as a coach similarly, and your players do as you say. If they don't or don't live up to their potential and maximizes their talent, then you're gonna be critized, slammed and griefed. Don't ask me for no kleenex.
and you're right, being a good coach is kind of like being a good dad. You can not be your child's best friend as in a peer. You are their parent and have a set of rules. You put in your work as a coach similarly, and your players do as you say. If they don't or don't live up to their potential and maximizes their talent, then you're gonna be critized, slammed and griefed. Don't ask me for no kleenex.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 3:11 pm to crawdaddy717
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None of your "facts" are facts. They're opinions.
When you say "poor coaching" is part of the reason for the last two mediocre seasons. That's your opinion. It isn't shared by thousands of LSU fans.
When you say LSU won the NC by "sheer luck" and by "backing into the title game" That's your opinion. My opinion, and that of many other Tiger fans, is that LSU had the best talent in the nation, was fortunate to get some breaks along the way and then dominated Ohio State. But that, too, is opinion. The only true fact is that LSU won the NC.
3) When you say that Miles acts like a moron and blames kids for his mistakes. That's your opinion Mine is that he is a class act who sacrificed what, for him, was his dream job so as not to be a distraction to his players during their quest to win the NC.
The NBC story stated a true fact: That Les Miles earned 50 wins quicker than any other coach in LSU history. That is a fact. And, it is undisputed.
1) He went out and has multiple times blamed players for bad coaching decisions. Look at the Bama 08 and Ole Miss 09 games for two blatant examples.
2) We were extremely lucky to have what 5 teams shite the bed the last 2 weeks of the season to get us into the NC game? Are you seriously trying to say that we didn't back into the 2007 BCSCG? Hey, we won it, but acting like it wasn't pure luck to have UO lose Dixon, USC to choke AGAIN, have WVU lose their QB and choke to freaking Pitt, and so on and so forth, then you are the idiot my friend.
3) Poor playcalling, poor coaching technique, poor time/player management are not conjectures buddy. They've been blatantly obvious mistakes to anyone with common sense about football. Les and his "staff" have fricked up more than anyone including RP.
In the end, I love LSU and will support them to the end, but I am not going to blindly believe Les is a great coach. I don't even consider him a good one, but I am hoping he proves me wrong.
And by the way, the Coker comparisons are warranted. LSU is bringing in talent and not developing it and you have a coach that shows almost no discipline to his players. When he's their friend, like Les tries to be when not throwing them under the bus for his mistakes, he isn't doing his job. End of story. That mentality from the coaches is what lead to UM's collapse, not recruiting.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 3:39 pm to Words
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No comparison. Coker fell off because he didnt keep the talent coming in.
BS, the 05 team that lost to LSU had nine players drafted and all nine made NFL rosters. A lack of talent was not the reason Miami declined with Coker as HC.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 3:49 pm to roygu
People just want to state things like that to make them feel better.
Coker got fired and Miami collapsed because he was just not a great coach and was a players' coach at that. He showed no discipline or control over his players. Gave them a million chances to eff up with no consequences, didn't develop talent, and that resulted in their downfall.
It's eerily similar to miles despite what people want to believe. I hope Miles isn't the same guy, but I am not holding my breath.
Here are Coker's/Miami's recruiting rankings according to Rivals from 2002-2006.
2002 - #8
2003 - #5
2004 - #4
2005 - #7
2006 - #14
Yup, averaging top 8 recruiting classes for 5 years while only dropping out of the top 10 AFTER getting blasted by LSU in 2005. Hmm.. yup..... the talent Coker brought into UM sucked.
Coker got fired and Miami collapsed because he was just not a great coach and was a players' coach at that. He showed no discipline or control over his players. Gave them a million chances to eff up with no consequences, didn't develop talent, and that resulted in their downfall.
It's eerily similar to miles despite what people want to believe. I hope Miles isn't the same guy, but I am not holding my breath.
Here are Coker's/Miami's recruiting rankings according to Rivals from 2002-2006.
2002 - #8
2003 - #5
2004 - #4
2005 - #7
2006 - #14
Yup, averaging top 8 recruiting classes for 5 years while only dropping out of the top 10 AFTER getting blasted by LSU in 2005. Hmm.. yup..... the talent Coker brought into UM sucked.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 3:53 pm to GoldenBoy
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Man, I can't even describe how dumb this is.
Why So. Hey I lover JR but it is apparent looking at player interviews of Raider players he might have had an attitude problem. Sometimes Coaches cannot fix that. Since we now know that Flynn was injured (remember that Fire Miles Play Flynn he does not what he was doing) he had to keep Flynn's injury secret and stayed with JR. With good results that year.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 4:02 pm to LSUMafia
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1) He went out and has multiple times blamed players for bad coaching decisions.
This is a TOTAL MYTH. An edited video was used to make it look like Miles and JJ were going back and forth, that's NOT what happened.
Miles took all of the blame for the Ole Miss debacle even though quite frankly there was plenty blame to go around.
You claim to love LSU but using FALSE crap to tear down the MOST successful coach we have ever had belies that sentiment.
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Are you seriously trying to say that we didn't back into the 2007 BCSCG?
Have you followed CFB for long? I think there have been maybe 2 wire to wire number ones in twenty or thirty years.
Did we need help to get in, yes - most do. But we helped our self by winning the SEC with our back up QB and beating the living snot out of the Ohio State University.
In all seriousness you HAVE to be a GUMP to go this far to denigrate a National Championship for LSU.
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They've been blatantly obvious mistakes to anyone with common sense about football. Les and his "staff" have fricked up more than anyone including RP.
That IS STRICTLY your opinion, just because a bunch of other bandwagon and gump fans agree doesn't make it fact.
Make all the comparisons you want, the FACT is that LSU's best multi-year coach by winning percentage is Les Miles and he is going into this year with one of the most talented (according to collective recruiting rankings) teams we have ever had and for the first time in a while we have experience at qb and size, speed and depth in the OLine.
IMO, if you loved LSU you would hope for and expect the best this year. If you are right about Miles it'll be evident and things will work themselves out but berating the TEAMS accomplishments to try to diminish the coach is a punked out gump move!!!
Posted on 7/24/10 at 4:05 pm to LSUMafia
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He showed no discipline or control over his players. Gave them a million chances to eff up with no consequences
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It's eerily similar to miles
seriously???
Posted on 7/24/10 at 4:14 pm to Choctaw
Yes, it is serious. Miles has towed the same line. Let the super talented players get away with ridiculous crap, and then punish the less talented players to make a statement.
My point is that both have let lack of controlling their players hurt their teams.
I want LSU and Miles to do well this year, but to act like he is in no way similar to Coker at UM is a farce.
I like Miles a ton more, but I am also not going to act like they are nothing alike.
and to the other poster, it has nothing to do with a back and forth between Miles and JJ. It has to do with his comments at the presser post game directly in the Ole Miss game AND the Bama game the year before.
I hope Miles proves his doubters wrong as much as anyone, but nothing he has done has given many of us faith in him to change.
My point is that both have let lack of controlling their players hurt their teams.
I want LSU and Miles to do well this year, but to act like he is in no way similar to Coker at UM is a farce.
I like Miles a ton more, but I am also not going to act like they are nothing alike.
and to the other poster, it has nothing to do with a back and forth between Miles and JJ. It has to do with his comments at the presser post game directly in the Ole Miss game AND the Bama game the year before.
I hope Miles proves his doubters wrong as much as anyone, but nothing he has done has given many of us faith in him to change.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 4:14 pm to Choctaw
The Hot seat could be avoided if Miles team is appears to be ready to play and does not make foolish mistakes. What hurts Coach Miles is the obvious lack of Proper Prior Planning that seems to result in Piss Poor Perfomance by his team at times. That in conjunction with the fact that neither Stud or Crouton was fired after unacceptable levels of job performance is why CLM and the Hot Seat go hand in hand.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 4:17 pm to bayourant
He just wants MIles to stay coach so Bama keeps winning.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 4:19 pm to MoreOrLes
This is something people seem to ignore. It's not about the results alone here. These teams have looked completely unprepared on both sides of the ball numerous times over the past five years actually.
That said, Miles will need to show that his changes are real and not just putting out things like the "Big Cat" which 90% of teams already did as some type of new, innovative move. If the team looks prepared as a whole and a player here or there makes a mistake, people aren't frustrated. If the whole team looks confused, then its on the coaching.
That said, Miles will need to show that his changes are real and not just putting out things like the "Big Cat" which 90% of teams already did as some type of new, innovative move. If the team looks prepared as a whole and a player here or there makes a mistake, people aren't frustrated. If the whole team looks confused, then its on the coaching.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 4:32 pm to LSUMafia
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It has to do with his comments at the presser post game directly in the Ole Miss game AND the Bama game the year before.
Were you at that presser?
I personally watched him clearly take responsibility-though he was at that point unclear on who actually made the 'clock it' call, which he said was not the right call. He NEVER said JJ was at fault and in fact said if that was the call that came in then JJ did what he was asked to do.
The next day he answered all questions including who made the call and why but he made it clear to his team and the press that it was his responsibility.
With all due respect, you don't know what you are talking about, you are just going off of the anti-miles rantard mantra.
Repeating a lie over and over doesn't make it true it just means more people believe the lie.
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